Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mj05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mj05.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.89]) by air-da08.mail.aol.com (v127_r1.1) with ESMTP id MAILINDA081-85ea4b99846a253; Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:01:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mj05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7D28738000045; Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:01:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NpsJE-0002gl-3q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 00:00:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NpsJD-0002gc-Nk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 00:00:55 +0000 Received: from parrot.netcom.co.uk ([217.72.171.49]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NpsJB-0007vS-1J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 00:00:55 +0000 Received: from abelian.netcom.co.uk (i-194-106-52-83.freedom2surf.net [194.106.52.83]) by parrot.netcom.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BEEF327860 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 2010 23:58:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by abelian.netcom.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o2C00jL9032535 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 00:00:46 GMT Message-ID: <4B99842D.5020907@abelian.org> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 00:00:45 +0000 From: Paul Nicholson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000a01cac139$b9d5e5a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9D7C2F9B306347BEA848AC1560D1162B@JimPC> <4B995D52.6000802@abelian.org> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1B54@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1B54@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: AW: LF: Re: DREAM 9 ANTENNA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039400c89aa4b9984682e0b X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Stefan schrieb: > 1 Ohm is to less i mean, I was thinking in terms of, say 100W from a 12V supply, so you'd want to offer a load of less than 1 ohm to the PA. > swr meters. I'm not sure what use an SWR meter would be. I think the only measurement you'd really need is an ammeter in the DC supply to the PA final stage. A kV meter on the top of the loading coil would be nice too. You would tune for max ammeter reading, and adjust taps so that the current drawn does not exceed some limit. > The region of 50 to 100Ohm is a good choice. Yes, if you are separating the PA some distance from the loading coil, then an intermediate impedance might be desirable, on cost alone if nothing else - 50m of speaker cable is a lot cheaper than 50m of car jump lead cable. It doesn't have to match the cable impedance. And as you say, if you have some 50 ohm filter or something then you will have to get near to that to get the right filter response. Build in plenty of range of impedance transformation. One thing I've always found with driving LF into coils is the impedance is always higher than you hope it will be! You always seem to need more voltage from the driver. Predicted Q always seems to be on the high side of reality. Build in lots of step-up! The system Q will vary from day to day, hour to hour, even minute to minute in some cases. I have some interesting experimental results from long period automatic Q measurements which show all kinds of variation not accounted for by temperature coefficient of copper, especially when set up over grass/soil in temperatures around freezing. I will post about the 13th harmonic over the weekend but just now am busy here making a new calibration source for the loop receiver. -- Paul Nicholson --