Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.83]) by air-dc04.mail.aol.com (v127_r1.1) with ESMTP id MAILINDC042-86284b98bab12b7; Thu, 11 Mar 2010 04:41:05 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 850E4380000B2; Thu, 11 Mar 2010 04:41:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NperR-0003Up-RA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Mar 2010 09:39:21 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NperR-0003Ug-Fi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Mar 2010 09:39:21 +0000 Received: from parrot.netcom.co.uk ([217.72.171.49]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NperP-0002KD-R9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Mar 2010 09:39:21 +0000 Received: from abelian.netcom.co.uk (i-194-106-52-83.freedom2surf.net [194.106.52.83]) by parrot.netcom.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 017F63277F7 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 2010 09:36:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by abelian.netcom.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o2B9dAee018275 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 2010 09:39:12 GMT Message-ID: <4B98BA3E.8070307@abelian.org> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 09:39:10 +0000 From: Paul Nicholson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <8FED75E9FFEE43BE876D1DD922379513@JimPC> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1B51@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <36CF08E84AE1442989368BF6D3A032F0@JimPC> In-Reply-To: <36CF08E84AE1442989368BF6D3A032F0@JimPC> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: AW: 9kHz loop/preamp for soundcard receiver Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40534b98baaf702f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) The usual practice would be to have the preamp right next to the loop and the coax between preamp and soundcard, with an isolating transformer to help keep interference at bay. With an unbalanced unshielded loop, I think the isolating transformer will be quite important here. Alpha looks like a good signal which is promising. > However, since the 50Hz harmonics mainly produce narrow-band > spectral lines in the waterfall, these should not be a great > problem for receiving very narrow band QRSS-type modes, > providing the frequencies do not coincide exactly. The mains harmonics often have a rich spectrum of sidebands, especially in the H-field, so you may still experience problems. There are two ways for interference to couple into the rx - direct pickup by the loop, and coupling from the domestic ground along the feeder to earth via the loop's external capacitance. The isolating transformer greatly reduces this second source but there's not much you can do about the first other than siting the loop as far away from house and powerlines as possible. -- Paul Nicholson --