Return-Path: Received: from mtain-me06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-me06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.142]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v127_r1.1) with ESMTP id MAILINDE011-5ea24b96f7b3bf; Tue, 09 Mar 2010 20:36:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-me06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7EF1238000091; Tue, 9 Mar 2010 20:36:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NpApL-0008RD-AK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Mar 2010 01:35:11 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NpApK-0008R4-QT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Mar 2010 01:35:10 +0000 Received: from parrot.netcom.co.uk ([217.72.171.49]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NpApI-00073d-C1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Mar 2010 01:35:10 +0000 Received: from abelian.netcom.co.uk (i-194-106-52-83.freedom2surf.net [194.106.52.83]) by parrot.netcom.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D0E92280E2 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2010 01:32:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by abelian.netcom.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o2A1Z1Qp026958 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2010 01:35:01 GMT Message-ID: <4B96F744.60703@abelian.org> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 01:35:00 +0000 From: Paul Nicholson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <9afca2641003090337t4062bb3avc9b952612014c0ba@mail.gmail.com> <4B9678C3.7070907@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4B9689B9.8030805@abelian.org> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1B47@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1B47@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: VLF TX coil matching Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608e4b96f7b1484e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Stefan Sch=E4fer schrieb: > Who tells that they [charge] are just to find at the end? The charge distributes itself for minimum potential energy, so it concentrates somewhat towards the ends. Actually the concentration isn't all that much, only about 10% greater at the bottom end than in the center. http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/ss100309a.png shows the linear charge density, Coulombs/metre, along the wire having 1 volt on it. At least that's what the model says, I will have to check it against Maxwell's 1878 formula! The distribution is slightly biased towards the bottom due to the presence of the ground, so the effective height will be a bit less than h/2. The maximum surface field strength looks to be about 2.2 volts/cm per volt on the wire, ie 10kV on the wire will give you 22kV/cm at the bottom end of the wire. Take these results with a 'pinch of salt' until I've checked the model against some calculation. But the figures look reasonable and if they stand, there is no problem until 20-30kV, and then you can suppress corona easily with rings and spheres. > I plan to use an inductive coupled primary coil, OK. There is some advantage to driving into the base, as Markus mentioned in a post a few days ago - current is self limiting as the system detunes. You would need up to a kV from the driver, I think. If you can't manage that, it would have to be a tuned primary. > The PA has a big output transformer with different numbers > of turns, like a universal transformer. Perfect. > do you think i MUST have to built a simple band pass? No, not yet. Still running models. For example, first overtone is at 117kHz, close to 13th drive harmonic. Coil base impedance is quite high and harmonic voltage 1/13th of fundamental so current is low. But low enough to ignore? Not sure yet. That's with a square wave from a switching driver straight into the base. Maybe a broadly tuned primary (Q=3D10) will be needed? Or just a simple trap to catch and dump the high harmonics into a resistor? Basic question is: can loading coil Q at 9kHz be relied upon for a clean signal when directly driven from a simple efficient switch-mode PA? Yes, Q is high but the coil is a transmission line and has a spectrum of resonances... > Each friday and monday i have free time, so my weekend > is 4 days! I will move to Heidelberg too :) -- Paul Nicholson --