Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.219]) by air-de08.mail.aol.com (v127_r1.1) with ESMTP id MAILINDE082-5ebf4b929eaa14b; Sat, 06 Mar 2010 13:27:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 51AE938000089; Sat, 6 Mar 2010 13:27:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NnyiG-0000sT-Mz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Mar 2010 18:26:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NnyiG-0000sK-A6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Mar 2010 18:26:56 +0000 Received: from parrot.netcom.co.uk ([217.72.171.49]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NnyiD-0001mz-O7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Mar 2010 18:26:56 +0000 Received: from abelian.netcom.co.uk (i-194-106-52-83.freedom2surf.net [194.106.52.83]) by parrot.netcom.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8D6B328CB1 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 2010 18:24:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by abelian.netcom.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o26IQkNK000713 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 2010 18:26:46 GMT Message-ID: <4B929E66.4060400@abelian.org> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2010 18:26:46 +0000 From: Paul Nicholson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4B8E8027.3060809@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4B8EC9A9.80507@abelian.org> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1B31@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B9203FE.3000703@abelian.org> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1B34@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B92300A.7090604@freenet.de> In-Reply-To: <4B92300A.7090604@freenet.de> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: AW: AW: LF: Re: 9kHz noise level Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60db4b929ea951eb X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Stefan wrote (another thread): > Is the transmitter on 11,904 transmitting the whole time? Yes, I think so. Always seems to be there. I am using F1 at 11904.761 for frequency lock. > [Bernd] cannot really receive the alpha stns. I would need to know details to help. As you say, it is not too difficult to receive. Here are a couple of spectrum plots, first with 12Hz resolution averaged for 2 minutes, http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/alpha.100306c.png You can see F1 11904, F2 12648, F3 14881. The signal pulses have a repetition period of 3.6 seconds, so at high resolution we see them break up into separate components. Here is 11904 at 50mHz resolution, http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/alpha.100306a.png and at 5mHz, http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/alpha.100306b.png Note - these graphs show relative amplitude not relative power. The noise floor here is natural VLF background, the system noise floor is 30dB lower. > Yesterday i have got a PVC tube with 25cm diameter > and 2m long. Will make a great Tesla coil, maybe h/d is a little long. Certainly not best for Q factor. Barrels are great, I have two big barrel coils for TC at 60kHz, Q was about 170 last time I measured, but that included some ground resistance. Will be interesting to see how you get on at 9kHz. I have lots of software for modelling solenoid resonance, primary coupling, etc, but Q is hard to calculate. I have a further change to make to the spectrum display - I will rotate the antenna pattern (in software) to null the prevailing average bearing of the background, this will gain another dB. I'm trying a reassigned spectrum display but I'm not sure it is any help. Wolf wrote: > The question is if the MP3 or Ogg Vorbis compression will > leave the weak signals intact; Nice to meet you on this list Wolf! We can test that with a simulated signal. There is sure to be some loss of S/N ratio. Could perhaps be minimised by blanking most of the spectrum to leave all the available bits for the 9kHz band. This narrow band weak signal work is very interesting and new to me. Quite different to the naturally generated signals that I study. Talking of which - whistler activity is picking up again - quite a few in the last two days. Check out the event logs at http://abelian.org/vlf/detail.php?stream=vlf1 and if there are whistlers about, listen on http://abelian.org/vlf/test.html One day, perhaps, we will have amateur radio beacons which will be very useful.. and perhaps even whistler mode QSOs! -- Paul Nicholson --