Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.78]) by air-dc04.mail.aol.com (v127_r1.1) with ESMTP id MAILINDC044-86a24b9ff4992ce; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:14:03 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8FA90380001BF; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:13:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Nre4O-00084y-F2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:12:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Nre4O-00084p-2w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:12:56 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Nre4M-0006wG-CC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:12:56 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o2GLCqEZ028765 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:12:53 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:12:52 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:09:12 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1B60@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1B60@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: LF: 8.97kHz antennas Thread-Index: AcrFQdjmccBsytJUTESU9DlaCeF69AACxRcg References: <910844.27140.qm@web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <4B9FDFA7.7090208@gmx.com> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.717;31.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.9.388399, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.3.16.210045 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CAC54D.70A0114F" Subject: AW: LF: 8.97kHz antennas X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/56327 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404e4b9ff49731d0 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAC54D.70A0114F Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Paul, LF,=20 =20 Which gain can be achieved with accuarte coupled multi loop receiving ante= nnas?=20 =20 You told us you have a RX antenna out of 2 loops, coupled in a special wa= y. =20 Is it possible to built a loop that has even more gain, such as e.g. a 4el= e cubical quad on HF? =20 And makes it sense to try to receive with the 100m vertical? 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