Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.218]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v127_r1.1) with ESMTP id MAILINDE073-5ebc4b9feabda7; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:31:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F1C8F38000128; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:31:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NrdPp-0007hz-C0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 20:31:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NrdPo-0007hq-UR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 20:31:00 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NrdPm-0006hN-3u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 20:31:00 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o2GKUsKK030855 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:30:55 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:30:56 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:30:56 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1B5D@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1B5D@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: LF: 8.97kHz antennas Thread-Index: AcrFQdjmccBsytJUTESU9DlaCeF69AAAoKy4 References: <910844.27140.qm@web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <4B9FDFA7.7090208@gmx.com> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.717;31.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.9.388399, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.3.16.201830 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CAC547.94ACCA4F" Subject: AW: LF: 8.97kHz antennas X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/56324 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60da4b9feabb43bc X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAC547.94ACCA4F Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear group, =20 We can be optimistic about further successes in the VLF sector i think. Th= e most enjoyable finding (within ham experiments)is, that the E field deca= y relly seems to be rather ~ 1/sqrt(d) than ~1/d :-) That is an important= difference to 137kHz, isn't it? =20 A little dreaming: Does that mean that if the ERP is 3dB higher (21kV instead of the 15kV i= had yesterday), the maximum distance will be 4 times the old distance, id= eally? That would mean, with a 300m vertical +3dB QRO, the ERP is at least 13dB= more, so the distance could theoretically cover the whole world? We are now about 3kHz below the lowest alpha station! =20 What about the retireds of you? For you it would be ideal and easy to chec= k what is possible with the earth antennas. Just buy some 100m of cable an= d bury/hide it at midnight near a field or a forrest. Then, apply some pow= er out of a audio amp, for a first step. A QRSS mode message could be reco= rded to a cheep usb-mp3-player as a mp3 file and could be transmitted, eve= n in repeat mode. Starting with 2x50m, then going to 2x100m and so on. The= n, the dependency of the virtual loop area could be estimated. Not expensi= ve, no trees or towers to climb, no high voltage, no big garden needed. Yo= u just don't have to ask for a permission for that ;-) Would be interesting! =20 73, Stefan/DK7FC =20 =20 ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von Mike.WE0H Gesendet: Di 16.03.2010 20:44 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: 8.97kHz antennas Years ago it seemed difficult to radiate a good LF signal, that changed when many guys got on the air and figured it out; same with the MF band. This VLF band could be the same way. Get on the air and try different antennas and equipment until you figure it out. Maybe someday the VLF band will be busy with many stations? 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