Return-Path: Received: from mtain-me03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-me03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.139]) by air-md01.mail.aol.com (v127_r1.1) with ESMTP id MAILINMD014-8b774b9f3b98a5; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 04:04:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-me03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 394F1380000A5; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 04:04:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NrRk0-0002OU-OR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 08:03:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NrRk0-0002OI-6V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 08:03:04 +0000 Received: from fmmailgate01.web.de ([217.72.192.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NrRjx-0000es-DF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 08:03:04 +0000 Received: from mwmweb080 (mwmweb080.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.18.98]) by fmmailgate01.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63ECB14DB91B3 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 09:02:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from [88.76.46.28] by mwmweb080.dlan.cinetic.de with HTTP; Tue Mar 16 09:02:55 CET 2010 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 09:02:55 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <23519707.480708.1268726575403.JavaMail.fmail@mwmweb080> References: <000001cac47a$f4ba1350$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> , <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1B57@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Horst_St=F6cker?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-UI-Message-Type: mail In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1B57@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-Priority: 3 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX182JS+dBbLFlCDhkrN2qbiFf2VDRis/sfOoWD3xS0ixBaDIUREHucGh IuwRutB/sQWu2P6MucLMEBSGdlJ40tetkF26qZIWC8sW+fjMikfCjGuqgYe//C8V wz+CXzN5MbsABKKztgELxoJm4uEISsHEUSc+wNYV7LMNIgw0MZeEVQ== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Congrats: LF: DK7FC's 2nd VLF TX test... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608b4b9f3b967713 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello all Congratulations to Stefan.=20 Mathematically it might have been clear that this is possible. Not really= my business, But YOU just DID it. I was not with the doubters but I never had expected such success after su= ch a short time. Just a few weeks ago I started the thread with a simple= question . more or less something like: Has someone crossed his garden fe= nce below 9kHz, hi. The response was amazing. Unbelievable that even the few experiments below 9kHz had stopped for such= a long time after the 90s, even in DL after the Bundesnetzagentur estimat= ed that frequencies below 9kHz are free - but officially not ham radio. Th= e few interested in this band have worked as single experimenters until th= e discussion on the reflector became so encouraging. Real HAM radio! I am happy with Stefan and also Markus. And I am looking forward to who of= us is next. Horst -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht----- Von: "Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer"=20 Gesendet: 16.03.2010 01:15:17 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: AW: LF: DK7FC's 2nd VLF TX test... >Dear LF group, RXers and 9Dreamers and doubters,=20 > >Thank you for your assistance on that very successful experiment! It is= a good day for the VLF ham operations and it won't be the last. YOU are= a part of this success since i wouldn't have done all the effort to becom= e QRV there if you all wouldn't have been so interested in the discussion= about <9.=20 > >So, perhaps there will come up further TX stns, i hope so. With the resul= ts we can see what can be reached with a given ERP in a given distance. So= , all the theoretical calculations become less speculative... > >First, i confirm that i was QRV to the described time at 8,9700kHz. =20 > >I will detailed describe now what happend on this experiment. > >Starting with buying a plastic spray paint and fixing the windings on the= water barrel was the first work. Than applying the variometer and the pri= mary coil.=20 > >The primary coil is inductive coupled to the secondary and isolate mounte= d on the bottom side of the water barrel. It has just 9 turns out of 4*0,4= mm diameter isolated copper wire. The 9 turns was an estimation but later= it is shown that it is optimal for getting the maximum output power at mo= derate voltages and currents. > >On http://www.qrz.com/db/DK7FC i will show many photos i have taken on th= e hill. So there may come up some questions and some may be answered by th= e pictures ;-) > >After building up the kite (the 8,1m^2 type due to a little unstable wind= ) and applying the whole equipment i started some resonating tests. The va= riometer part has a litte too much L so it is sensitive to adjust but neve= r mind. It was easy to resonate and after transmitting a long carrier i no= ted that the heat sink of the PA remained absoultely cold. Then i increase= d the output voltage and got an average DC current (PA input at 13,8VDC by= a SMPS driven by my fuel generator) of about 13A during the whole transmi= ssion time. The PA still remained cold but it was fused with 10A and i had= a amperemeter of 20A full range, so i didn't further increase the power.= The current came up to 18A and go down to 9A during the kite movement.=20 > >During the whole transmission, there were no HV problems! Just one time= the wind turned and suddenly the antenna wire got disconnected with a 8,9= 7kHz noisy 2cm long spark ;-) The DC current immediately decreased to < 1A= so that case is no problem for the PA. > >I was in telephone contact with Bernd/DF8ZR and started to transmit some= undefined sequences. Later i built up the notebook and installed the LF= sequencer and keyed the TX in QRSS30. Bernd copied it difficultly in a di= stance of 16km. He clearly catched a 2 minutes transmission to that time= i transmitted it.=20 > >I forgot to take the 1 Ohm current shunt resistor and the probe to watch/= measure the current with the oscilloscope but later i rembered that i have= a "true rms" digital multimeter with a range up to 10 kHz and so i could= easily measure the accurent antenna current. The average antenna current= was about 480mA! > >So, the voltage was abt 15kV rms. Since there were no HV problems there= is the possibility to increase the ERP at least by 3dB. > >Andrey: No, the coil does almost not sing. The sound of the PA transforme= r is louder (only a little, not too nerving) but all that is blown in the= wind ;-) > >Paul: My exact QTH is http://maps.google.de/maps?hl=3Dde&ie=3DUTF8&ll=3D4= 9.77647,8.699525&spn=3D0.001607,0.003428&t=3Dh&z=3D18 (see the coordinates= in the link). So: >Bearing of this signal was 117/297 deg. Frankfurt is= on 114. This is pretty exact! Congrats to your RX antenna system, Paul,= very fine!! So, what is the new WR? I do not have a program that calculat= es the distance accuratly out of the coordinates... > >Later i got a mobile call from DF6NM who told me that the signal is visib= le on his grabber. To that time i tried an unsuccessful QRSS10 test with= Bernd. Later i switched to QRSS120 to write "DK7FC/P" there but it took= 2,5 hours just for these few letters. Finally i just transmitted "DKM" si= nce during the "7" the antenna wire (copper+steel-litz) broke. You can cle= arly see the "M" at the DF6NM grabber, the last sent letter for this day.= The broken wire was due to strong wind: The kite needs a braid that is el= astic (110% length at maximum force) to withstand the wind blasts, so the= ant wire needs to have some sag and this sag was not enough in that momen= t, so the whole force turned to the wire. No problem about the wire, i hav= e enough for the next test... > >To the earth resistance: R(coil)=3D300Ohm and P(PA (with abt 100% efficie= ncy))=3D180W, so the earth resistance seems to be about 480 Ohm. Hmm, seem= s to be a little much but it includes all the other additional losses such= as coil losses due to the H stray field near the earth... I will measure= this more accurately the next time. BTW i measured the voltage waveform= with a loosely capacitive coupled HV probe. The sinus form was OK but cou= ld be better. But the C coupling is a high pass and so the harmonics may= be not so strong as displayed... Listening to the harmonics with my IC706= gave nothing, nice. > >My first question (others surely will come up later): What is the achieva= ble groundwave distance on the 33422m band? ;-) And what do you expect is= possible at night? Maybe, if we now have 830km (?, not 840?) we could eve= n get much more... > >Maybe i have forgotten to answer some questions but this mail is already= long enough. So, will go on tomorrow. Now uploading the pics... > >73 es GL, GN, 9 dreaming... > >Stefan/DK7FC > > ___________________________________________________________ GRATIS f=C3=BCr alle WEB.DE-Nutzer: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://movieflat.web.de