Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dj02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dj02.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.19.187.138]) by air-dd01.mail.aol.com (v127_r1.1) with ESMTP id MAILINDD012-862f4ba87838a4; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 04:13:44 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dj02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 99CEC38000094; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 04:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NtzDt-0008PZ-D3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 08:12:25 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NtzDs-0008PQ-Vp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 08:12:24 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NtzDq-0003XJ-8D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 08:12:24 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9995B51C006 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 09:12:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93E1631E702 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 09:12:14 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 09:12:19 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe References: <2a2c8.24f60f40.38d54e4e@aol.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1B81@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4BA5CFAA.2030007@freenet.de> <56800827A5644E1BB3F320CB51E2300E@Black> <26E279AD762E44FB937A8A7DF8F934BC@Black> <8C7F2923D86B4517B1C156BA499E96E4@Black> <29746320.1346347.1269244849281.JavaMail.fmail@mwmweb078> <4BA7361F.1030702@abelian.org> <4BA7A586.8080307@abelian.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20100323081214.93E1631E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: AW: LF: Re: DK7FC's 3rd VLF transmission Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_1994691==.ALT" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039cdbc9d064ba8783631df X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --=====================_1994691==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >BTW: We could philosophize what is the definition for "DX" on LF and >VLF! Or is there a standard definition? In my ham licence i learned >that on HF, DX is outside the own continent and on VHF it is above >300km. So, what is it for LF? And what for VLF (by hams)? Stefan, a philosophical approach to define DX : distances that are a challenge. What would mean that what is considered DX can differ from band to band and on the same band even from one station to another: running 1W ERP on 137kHz DX could be 5000km or more , running 1mW ERP it could be 500km or more. I have always had a bit of a problem with the "outside the own continent" definition. For a ZB2 station it would mean that CN (can be as close as 10km) would be DX while UA (at up to 4000km) would not be DX. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T PS: as it returned from a family visit last Sunday I saw your announcement and just hooked up the 500kHz antenna (11m high and 25m long lazy L) to the sound card. I could see something going on at 8970, but too weak (and too much QRM/QRN) to decode. It time permits I will try to bring the antenna to resonance at 9kHz for you next test. --=====================_1994691==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
BTW: We could philosophize what is the definition for "DX" on LF and VLF! Or is there a standard definition? In my ham licence i learned that on HF, DX is outside the own continent and on VHF it is above 300km. So, what is it for LF? And what for VLF (by hams)?

Stefan,

a philosophical approach to define DX : distances that are a challenge.
What would mean that what is considered DX can differ from band to band and on the same band even  from one station to another: running 1W ERP on 137kHz DX could be 5000km or more , running 1mW ERP it could be 500km or more.
I have always had a bit of a problem with the "outside the own continent" definition. For a ZB2 station it would mean that CN (can be as close as 10km) would be DX while UA (at up to 4000km) would not be DX.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

PS: as it returned from a family visit last Sunday I saw your announcement and just hooked up the 500kHz antenna (11m high and 25m long lazy L) to the sound card. I could see something going on at 8970, but too weak (and too much QRM/QRN) to decode. It time permits I will try to bring the antenna to resonance at 9kHz for you next test.
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