Return-Path: Received: from mtain-me09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-me09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.145]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v127_r1.1) with ESMTP id MAILINDF024-5ee94b95575026b; Mon, 08 Mar 2010 15:00:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-me09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D5042380000EF; Mon, 8 Mar 2010 15:00:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Noj6X-0001fS-LF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Mar 2010 19:59:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Noj6X-0001fJ-9J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Mar 2010 19:59:05 +0000 Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com ([64.136.55.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Noj6U-0005CM-HR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Mar 2010 19:59:05 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=juno.com; s=alpha; t=1268078334; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:From; b=DdkEyi1A3/BT9z99NETpO28jKpMnkxy+ZNH1po51qjLgb1+Mil1PNIbhAFKCfjcyN Lg5hl28RXqs+N+AMeWdSjNwX76yXJjsp+4OWTmsgxLyLNfONKS7xR995sKljCMbt0I WdcrtoIlkbBqPhT1xstQlAsu68FjjWcThOy2oW/g= X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m03.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABF3LXZSAEUE6FA for (sender ); Mon, 8 Mar 2010 11:58:40 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: yokUgcxCbtTP7XLrpefewBL/fyqGQeqqQM1c7+ftqvVd2LSF2uiZjw== Received: (from riese-k3djc@juno.com) by m03.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id P8JCPZW7; Mon, 08 Mar 2010 11:57:16 PST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 14:56:34 -0500 Message-ID: <20100308.145635.644.0.riese-k3djc@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.49 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: riese-k3djc@juno.com X-UNTD-BodySize: 1599 X-ContentStamp: 24:12:3147853932 X-MAIL-INFO:3b6dd445d4ed408940217d41c41930208d70b0f134251139b499b199997579511d35141df4d1f45445606d5dc4c4f50d X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com|riese-k3djc@juno.com X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: AW: LF: VLF TX coil ready Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m221.2 ; domain : juno.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60914b95574e7e73 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Check http://jeff560.tripod.com/loomis.html,, just used ground currents which may have excited his kite wire,,,,, =20 Bob K3DJC > =20 > And: Does anybody of the group want to buy such a kite? A second=20 > "kite-station" would give the chance for a 2 way QSO there! Maybe in=20 > good old CW! :-) > =20 > 73, Stefan/DK7FC >=20 > ________________________________ >=20 > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von Paul=20 > Nicholson > Gesendet: Mo 08.03.2010 07:57 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: Re: LF: VLF TX coil ready >=20 >=20 >=20 > Stefan Sch=E4fer schrieb: >=20 > > [VLF loading coil] has about 1100 turns. Average diameter is > > about 0,55m, hight about 0,5m. >=20 > I ran this info through a modelling program, with a guess that > the wire is 26awg:- >=20 > Ldc: 482mH > Rdc: 258.3 ohms >=20 > Resonances, unloaded, base grounded, stood vertically 10cm > above a good ground with nothing within a few metres:- >=20 > 1/4 wave : 46.56 kHz > 3/4 wave: 121.7 kHz > 5/4 wave: 195.5 kHz >=20 > Adding a 100m kite, 2m diameter, raised vertically (=3D560pF) to > the model, I found I needed an extra 70pF of shunt loading to > bring the system into tune. >=20 > The system resonances then become: >=20 > 1/4 wave: 8.973 kHz > 3/4 wave: 116.3 kHz > 5/4 wave: 185.4 kHz >=20 > Hopefully you can seal the coil before the thing warms up and > the turns fall out of place! >=20 > > TX power of 200W. >=20 > I bet you will need more, eg 500W. Very hard to predict the > Q factor obtained in the field, but it is always lower than what > you hope it will be! > -- > Paul Nicholson > -- >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 ____________________________________________________________ Home Improvement Projects Do it right the first time. Click to find contractors to work on your hom= e improvement project. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=3DOY3blswFvUGOcdUNHEWzmQAAJ1= D5rfaR-77IPsUFbn2LcZ2XAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAShAAAAAA= =3D