Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.214]) by air-dd02.mail.aol.com (v127_r1.1) with ESMTP id MAILINDD024-86aa4bafb7b1358; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 16:10:25 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0D074380000A8; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 16:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NvynA-0006RB-Da for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 21:09:04 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NvynA-0006R2-1H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 21:09:04 +0100 Received: from smtp820.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.249]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Nvyn7-0001r6-Bc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 21:09:04 +0100 Received: (qmail 64737 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2010 20:08:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=jrGnRh/hP37vf1n2qpOku2td038HrDoeFwnxRrGQAG21VoZDRKtTGbNFcosuiKArnMfsoDcHIaNSojI5YLmEqXLJF5OjLNnX9H+xb0bVOTiK71ezYh+2+uwoC1p4nlEUwzNfIgVXJpJyRpTtI3iljBarf9ECIp62dmgYyAr5fn4= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1269806935; bh=uu8LspPPUbQwzDw7XotDAayycNh+/p4oFlPwlePM/S4=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=ws4AadYDQxvzz7Cb/QSKx/P4SPSXBFkY9bW94srWCIxiyuKGMI9ZyJ+ZQC6szWZ3eNWNaY3gKzstKEvsxNcczXTRVBKskp+nw9zjbQ8YsI5oJQOqVIIa5uagxjs0NId6FXsdfzWzvdEjWYwdhTVkbgs3biPXxyARYHLdQfNYgY4= Received: from JimPC (james.moritz@86.180.204.156 with login) by smtp820.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2010 20:08:55 +0000 GMT X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cxhli3eswBD1ozmtAojhjrja86kWx0Qm9tycD5QR1DKWrOLgjJcXkw-- X-YMail-OSG: JOjRCroVM1nf_x.W6RczBGeJbQ29TXOd6THf2L9yZLrwYgBvdbOUBrB7TGg8LW1kC2KHMtL2msGp03taIyNA1lvGVJiif9JmhZW_dV4cq2JakTbgU9ehYJSMk_YWozSzHZm58_twU5FnCy4.Vx1KG5R0O9v0Ys16fM25fcSU9wxQTDmLpUkE_O1JTD0QdW5BzbTDAwBBkaZzmKa4HtM9cWPI1QfeOoXdqPqWIZAFnG_IHJQQkE5FeYwfGfxy1hFlnNQz5aBjsQw8..A_dFrIoG3MK42F_SCl X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <0F2B77385FC04A07A080811EE2E61079@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 21:08:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: PF per Meter dependant on wire size? Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d305.2 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d64bafb7af05dd X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Paul, LF Group, One formula for C per unit length: C = 24/Log(4H/d) picofarads/m , H= height, m, d = diameter, m So the capacitance depends on the logarithm of the ratio of height over wire diameter, which only varies a little for a large change in diameter, e.g for 1mm wire at 10m high = 5.2pF/m, 10mm diameter wire at 10m high 6.7pF/m. Actually this formula only applies to an infinitely long, uniform, horizontal, straight wire. In practice, the presence of ends, downleads, things on the ground, insulation on the wire, etc. etc. will all have an effect, and are difficult to calculate, so 6pF/m is usually as good an estimate as you are likely to get. Adding multiple wires will increase capacitance. If the wires are many metres apart (spacing large compared to height), you can multiply the capacitance by the number of wires. But usually, the wires are more closely spaced, and there is less increase in capacitance. The figures I have to hand are for two 1mm wires 100mm apart, C is higher by 39% compared to a single wire, 1m apart and C is 68% higher. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul A. Cianciolo" To: Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 8:24 PM Subject: LF: PF per Meter dependant on wire size? > Hello, > > I see from previous posts that a number of aprox 6 PF what size wire is > this for? > > Increasing wire size should in "C" as should several conductors in > parallel > spaced a few feet apart. > > PauLC > > W1VLF > > > >