Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.203]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v127_r1.1) with ESMTP id MAILINDF022-5ee74b86dd95196; Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:29:09 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0C453380000AE; Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:29:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NkkJa-0007cY-0R for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:28:06 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NkkJZ-0007cP-KM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:28:05 +0000 Received: from 113-mo2-8.acn.waw.pl ([62.121.95.113] helo=paranoid.lipkowski.org) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NkkJV-0008OM-Fw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:28:05 +0000 Received: from paranoid.lipkowski.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id o1PKSfEs022127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:28:41 +0100 Received: from localhost (sq5bpf@localhost) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.6/Submit) with ESMTP id o1PKSfa9022124 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:28:41 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: paranoid.lipkowski.org: sq5bpf owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:28:41 +0100 (CET) From: Jacek Lipkowski To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <9afca2641002250919y7bdb25ebq8b913bb7d210e488@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <9afca2641002221442s72f18373t26847ca0487ac2b1@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641002230232k3af949e6kcd2fe2a53b11d822@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641002250919y7bdb25ebq8b913bb7d210e488@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score-sq5bpf: -2.538 () AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Fwd: Special Permits for Amateur Radio Operation below 9kHz? Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cb4b86dd93210d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) On Thu, 25 Feb 2010, Roger Lapthorn wrote: > People may be interested in the reply from Rod Wilkinson at OFCOM received > today. I asked him what OFCOM's view would be. [...] > They state that ITU Radio Regs indicate that there is no allocation for > frequencies below 9 kHz. However in the UK, a licence would be required > as there is no lower frequency limit for wireless telegraphy under the > WT Act 2006. [...] there is already a very big commercial user of the elf and vlf spectrum, they inject very big power into ground dipoles. emissions from one continent can be heard on another. and they do this without any license from the radio authorities. the only regulation they need regards maximum field strengths (and this is usually the realm of some environmental protection authority and not the radio authority). the operating frequency varies, but is usually 50Hz, 60Hz, 16.6Hz etc :) sometimes when dealing with the goverment, the best practice is not to ask at all :) even if they agree with you there will always be a "but you will need a license for that" clause. if you have to ask, ask them if it is their duty to regulate potential electromagnetic wave transmission from instalations operating on 50Hz (or any other frequency in the 0-9kHz region, that is not ITU regulated). you would probably get an entirely different answer :) VY 73 Jacek / SQ5BPF ps. the answer that you got from OFCOM is actually very nice