Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.78]) by air-mc07.mail.aol.com (v127_r1.1) with ESMTP id MAILINMC073-a97d4b82c415e1; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 12:51:17 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2CDE538000043; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 12:51:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NjcQB-0003Ny-HX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 17:50:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NjcQB-0003Np-6J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 17:50:15 +0000 Received: from mx.omskcity.com ([79.133.160.2]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NjcQ9-0003qk-92 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 17:50:15 +0000 Received: from noname.nodomain.nowhere (host209.161-133-79.sotline.ru [79.133.161.209]) by mx.omskcity.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id o1MHo7UM009642 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:50:08 +0600 (OMST) (envelope-from fitec@omskcity.com) Received: from localhost (fitec@localhost) by noname.nodomain.nowhere (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA00423 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 00:55:02 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: noname.nodomain.nowhere: fitec owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 00:55:02 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" cc: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.1.8 (mx.omskcity.com [79.133.160.2]); Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:50:10 +0600 (OMST) X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12=1.498,MISSING_HEADERS=0.189 Subject: Re: LF: VLF_8.79 kHz Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604e4b82c413000d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) > Assuming -60dB antenna efficiency (0.00001%, that is the lowest value > accepted) at both TX and RX side, average terrain and 1kW TX power > the RX voltage according to GRNDWAV3 is 50uV at 33km (1 wavelength), > 18uV at 100km, and 1.4uV at 1000km. > But I am afraid that -60dB it quite optimistic and that -80dB would > be a more acceptable value, what would reduce the RX voltages to > resp. 0.5uV (33km), 0.18uV (100km) and 0.014uV (1000km) This calculations is for far field. But in this case near field is more significal if distance << lambda. For near field one can derive simple formula (extremally approximative!) U_{RX}=U_{TX}(h/D)^3 where D -- distance, h - antenna heigh. Similar RX and TX antennas assumed and very high RX input impedance assumed also. So if voltage on TX ant is, say, 1 kV and RX can recive 1 uV and h=10m then maximal distance is of order 10 km. It isn't very difficult to derive more acurate formula. But details of antenna design is needed for this. I did some experiments with such frequency many years ago. I was supprised then woods, walls e.t.c. near antenna yelds very strong signal attenuations (much more then for 136 kc, many of tens of dB). If one think a litle then it is not very strange. Inducted charges in, say, trees yelds field of opposite sign then antenna field. Trees are good coductor on such low freq an they 'short' a field. Keep it in your mind! Regards, Alexander/RA9MB