Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.219]) by air-mc01.mail.aol.com (v127_r1.1) with ESMTP id MAILINMC011-a8454b82f0f735e; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 16:02:47 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7EC6C38000388; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 16:02:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NjfP0-0004dR-Ic for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:01:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NjfOz-0004dI-WF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:01:14 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f215.google.com ([209.85.218.215]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NjfOw-0005PD-Uw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:01:13 +0000 Received: by bwz7 with SMTP id 7so2103277bwz.4 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 13:01:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=s5w0whq1dGpk0JUp9R8cdYbnib5hCGUiURidueWJRyo=; b=gnf+Z2AnxVhd5iDbeVUpnbkmMMLVn12Fux+eF3jjsZJPIptBTJWzbHJmiCq1wMvSEy 0ILFrDxXdc4YMkP4YldcBmOUzzpuKo1w06wJsA7ACb1OL2CuTDfDCxIs7fAbr8jaeG83 o77WXjNUCKS57pjQ/L1EACdoL2FnhCRpws8i0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=EVY091WIG57wIz/4F3sllioxbqoFQzkSGiDd6QZYy6lt2Xu/kP31BGcY3/GG+e4oSE JtyAbIRLS2BwRpdkN2xE0H+RCfcbchw9+gK4zM+o0lXiC6VOS9E3/lbgEajEM9mv0ZmY MNclcHfmd6A6xgLHlCTE9KKI0OYy3HUJGn8mk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.160.147 with SMTP id n19mr987800bkx.182.1266872464251; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 13:01:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <588613.30106.qm@web86502.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <9FBA5C09-D62E-482B-A073-84DFAF261640@hurontel.on.ca> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:01:04 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641002221301r13c30262jb244da97d8a19a56@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: VLF_8.79 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cb2d6351b82048036bb00 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d299.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60db4b82f0f05a84 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0015175cb2d6351b82048036bb00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks Andy. So they didn't actually say no, just didn't reply. 73s Roger G3XBM On 22 February 2010 20:45, Andy Talbot wrote: > My thoughts precisely. > > The phrase attributed originally to Solon the Lawmaker of Athens in 437 BCE > (or thereabouts) and subsequently Douglas Bader > > > As mentioned recently, I tried to apply for a NoV for 8.9kHz a few years > ago. mainly to allow publicicity 'after the event', whereas if I'd just > gone ahead and done it, people may have whinged on principle. > > Anyway, Ofcom as was were quite helpful, and even arranged a three way > phone conversation with myself, Ofcom themselves, and a representative of > the percveived users of that frequency who may be inconvenienced - the > Spherics lightning monitoring people. > > The latter were quite open, and said "just go ahead", they'd see if there > would be a problem (I was sure they'd never detect a signal; they were sure > they would) Ofcom said they'd go away and consult on a form of words for > a NoV and that's where it all stopped. Despite chasing, nothing more was > heard. I lost interest in VLF, went back to microwaves and beacon > construction, and stopped thinking of how to make a BIG ground loop. > > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > > On 22 February 2010 20:19, John Bruce McCreath wrote: > >> Hello LFers, >> >> I'd just like to throw in my two pence worth from this side of the pond. >> As it is very likely that the only listeners >> down there would be fellow experimenters, just go ahead and do it. I have >> always found that it's better to ask >> for forgiveness than to ask for permission! >> >> 73, J.B., VE3EAR >> >> LowFER Beacon "EAR" >> 188.830 kHz. QRSS30 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0015175cb2d6351b82048036bb00 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Andy. So they didn't actually say no, just didn't reply.
73s
Roger G3XBM

On 22 February= 2010 20:45, Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:
My thought= s precisely.
=A0
The phrase attributed originally to Solon the Lawmaker of Athens in= 437 BCE (or thereabouts) and subsequently Douglas Bader
=A0
=A0
As mentioned recently, I tried to apply for=A0a NoV for 8.9kHz =A0a= few years ago.=A0 mainly to allow publicicity 'after the event',= whereas if I'd just gone ahead and done it, people may have whinged= on principle.
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Anyway, Ofcom as was were=A0quite helpful, and even arranged a three= way phone conversation with myself,=A0 Ofcom themselves,=A0and=A0a repres= entative of the=A0percveived users of that frequency who may be inconvenie= nced - the Spherics lightning monitoring people.
=A0
The latter were quite open, and said "just go ahead",=A0 th= ey'd see if there would be a problem (I was sure they'd never dete= ct a signal; they were sure they would)=A0=A0=A0 Ofcom said they'd go= away and consult on a form of words for a NoV and that's where it all= stopped.=A0=A0=A0 Despite chasing, nothing more was heard.=A0=A0 I lost= interest in VLF, went back to microwaves and beacon construction, and sto= pped thinking of how to make a BIG ground loop.
=A0
On 22 February 2010 20:19, John Bruce McCreath= <weazle@hurontel.on.ca> wrote:
Hello LFers,
I'd just like to throw in my two pence worth from this side of th= e pond. =A0As it is very likely that the only listeners
down there would be fellow experimenters, just go ahead and do it. =A0I ha= ve always found that it's better to ask
for forgiveness than to ask= for permission!

73, J.B., VE3EAR

LowFER Beacon "EAR&qu= ot;
188.830 kHz. QRSS30










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