Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.222]) by air-dd04.mail.aol.com (v127_r1.1) with ESMTP id MAILINDD043-865a4b80717c396; Sat, 20 Feb 2010 18:34:20 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B94D13800059D; Sat, 20 Feb 2010 18:34:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NiyoJ-0003aa-0T for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 20 Feb 2010 23:32:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NiyoI-0003aR-Bd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 20 Feb 2010 23:32:30 +0000 Received: from web86501.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.126]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NiyoG-00028L-6a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 20 Feb 2010 23:32:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 34265 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Feb 2010 23:32:22 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1266708742; bh=mkHF6dDdawJu/rtYHo9vvd5bWFlYn0+k2zc8Pus+XOY=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gVYmevO5UPEtwJg77hgwnC0moSxyp5A/ERJMz/IgLsPRHKX8kPUjBRjd/euBHBzUOomhW34P/Csk/2d7XggreZaXuwYeaahHrY0YFX9KN2Xk0cA34JQtvPGZW4TmYvcIJ9KQTG5LmQkcs7CwDKmAdtONyMRaUHJw3//XBxIZxf8= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=el6ld/h+HvEzntFgt6HbuY6xGiKJu90Ntt1q1n/SOtrdtRYPHe9757aUuAqi7d9EOu01rJVXY2CRPlGmKGAWlQAhLE99lbkOuHHqE//++e1CRWXPfyyZD9fzhHrBq0A1Sh0NVPBvP0Sx5NU0x52gVliXv0hJHvwyX8zgThRfvus=; Message-ID: <85763.34251.qm@web86501.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ar.OSToVM1nBDGbhbHxoYQI.RJ6AdQyeyBQ8W_0CuCxGFNMrg2nnUGGNvESnGy_ih6y.Rqcu1YYCfXUKSnoHiHS8RF09M26xpwax1gXgLm.kni4Q.bv86vKPN1fC6OIP21AVTPnfLKBLlKa9WISXNeUgz6bSOGqB9ecZpFIXiMvO9jdrDldcLRWJtjybqQ09TSlLgY8AUkjIZnm5L3WrbLaYo5c58atz92Bn4ycxeIOcuzMj_2iss3E7kF4fmXV3Pd9gHSG_1BgsmnlRo99TE5oQIY0TQwhMr_I- Received: from [213.122.11.230] by web86501.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 20 Feb 2010 23:32:21 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.2.12 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 23:32:21 +0000 (GMT) From: ALAN MELIA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <21758503.1162148.1266683961523.JavaMail.fmail@mwmweb078> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: My first tests below 9 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d309.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60de4b80717a68cd X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Horst dont forget you are in the near field at that frequency and the= signal strength drops of as the third or fourth power of the distance (no= t the square) until you are about 15km away from the transmitter then you= enter the far field and get square-law effect. You need to factor that in= to your equations. This means at 1km the strength will be either 30 or 40d= B lower not just 20dB (I think) at 10km 60 to 80dB lower. You are really= in "induction" fields at the moment, I think. Interesting tests. Make a bridge and measure the antenna at the at frequen= cy, the majority of the resistive component will be ground loss. Tune out= the reactive part with inductance and use a transformer to get the highes= t antenna current. A "ground dipole" could well be better than an elevated= small T. Interesting reference "ELF Communications antennas" Michael L Burrows, pub by Peter Perigrinus= for the IEE 1978 ISBN 0 906048 00 1 Alan G3NYK =20 --- On Sat, 20/2/10, Horst St=F6cker wrote: > From: Horst St=F6cker > Subject: LF: My first tests below 9 kHz > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Saturday, 20 February, 2010, 16:39 > Hello, >=20 > some years before, some experimental licences for ham radio > below 9 kHz were issued in germany. Meanwhile this frequency > range is free as the Bundesnetzagentur has confirmed last > year. >=20 > Transmitter is an Pr=E4citronic GF62 Level Generator > actually at 8,79 kHz. PA is an old homebrew NF-Amplifier > with 2x 2N3055 and about 40 Watt at 4 Ohm into a 100V ELA > transformer. Antenna is a T-Antenne of 10m with 20m top > capacity and poor ground. >=20 > Receiver is a portable sferics RX that I built some years > before (AATIS). Unfortunately its whip antenne is highly > influenced by trees and houses. >=20 > The fact that I can hear (!) my beacon in normal CW up to > 100m in an city environment with a highly unmatched antenna > makes me believe, that in a better environment and with a > matched antenne and with help of ARGO one can make tests > over longer distances. But even from my QTH in the city the > ODX ;-)) surely can be improved. >=20 > The mean problem now ist how to match the antenna . . . - > or using ground antennas vor TX, RX or both. >=20 > vy73 Horst > ___________________________________________________________ > NEU: Mit WEB.DE DSL =FCber 1000,- =BF sparen! > http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ >=20 >=20