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Thread-Topic: AW: LF: Re: 9kHz noise level
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Hi Wolf and tnx for informing others,
=20
After a talk with Markus/DF6NM and further thoughts abt the actual configu=
ration it may be difficult to get a success tomorrow:=20
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The coil has a Q of just 38 (that i have measured/calculated). So it has=
 an "internal" R of abt 150 Ohm @ 8,9kHz. With that coil it will not be po=
ssible to get 20kV (abt 650mA into the wire) on the wire unless my PA won'=
t give 2kW and it won't. So the ERP will be lower.
Also, it is not sure if Bernd/DF8ZR (closest distance RX stn as it seems)=
 can arrange his equipment until tmw.
Anyway, i will get up tomorrow early in the morning and try to built that=
 PA. Additionally i try to build quickly an antenna current meter with a=
 high =B5 ferrit core (current transformer). So, the current and ERP and=
 earth losses could be calculated. Maybe a confirmation of that what we ha=
ve discussed in the last days (changes of earth resistance from 137 to 9=
 kHz...).=20
First i will just do some resonating tests. Bringing the wire to resonance=
, matching it to the PA. Trying to get the power coupled into the HV coil.
It will be a first step to built up that station, although it might be pos=
sible that it won't come up completely, there will be some results that sh=
ows what to do next and to improve.=20
I have built such an earth loss measuring bridge before some years (if i=
 remember correctly it is from EI0CF/G3YNK) and will try to find the R and=
 C for 9kHz with this antenna, although the ferrite cores might be not opt=
imal at those low frequencies.
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Markus/DF6NM will be on the phone and i will inform him when i am ready to=
 transmit. He gave me the hint that it is an idea not to transmit exactly=
 at 8,9 but thater at 8,97kHz, due to the harmonics of 50Hz and 16 2/3 Hz=
 (german railway f), although these may be not to strong any more. He will=
 spot the QRG and if i am transmitting here. Now i plan it on 8,9700kHz.=
=20
=20
Maybe there will be no reception from anyone on my first test since there=
 seems to be no one QRV in a radius of 10...20km but if i know the earth=
 losses and the actual voltage at the wire at a given power (measured, not=
 theoretically calculated) i will be happy. But maybe it will be much bett=
er than just thought...
=20
Until next week, i try to get a proper coil in the region of 0,5H, so that=
 no parallel C will be needed...
=20
Ok, so, cu there...
=20
73 es gn es gl, Stefan/DK7FC

________________________________

Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von Wolfgang B=FCscher
Gesendet: Sa 27.02.2010 15:41
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: Re: AW: LF: Re: 9kHz noise level



Hi Stefan,

Thanks for the proposals, and the boost of activity. I have passed on a
few notes to the yahoo VLF group, so if you have more details about the
kite antenna experiments (or even a schedule) please let us know.
RX equipment (SDR-IQ and Perseus, plus various active antennas) already
geared up here; and even the 'quiet RX location' (DF0WD / DK4U) is
accessable by car again, since the snow disappeared. It may be a bit
optimistic to expect reception here in JO42FD, but who knows...

Cheers,
  Wolf .

Stefan Sch=E4fer schrieb:
> Dear group,
>=20
> It seems that there are interesting theoretical questions to answer. And=
 we, the practical interested's, could do this by trying that. Anyway if=
 it is over 10km or 200km... Maybe we'll get some nice surprises...
>=20
> Stefan/DK7FC
>
> =20




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