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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:20:38 +0100
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Thread-Topic: LF: VLF_8.79 kHz
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Interesting: 3MW TX power give 8W ERP, so 0,0003% efficiency at a commerci=
al station on 76 Hz.=20
=20
But with that 8W ERP the whole world was covered. And we talk about 120*=
 the frequency and for us, 300km would be enough to motivate each other to=
 start some experiments there ;-)

________________________________

Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von Warren Ziegler
Gesendet: Mo 22.02.2010 18:37
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: Re: LF: VLF_8.79 kHz



Roger,

           I believe that elf is being abandoned for use with
submarines in favor of a system that shoots lasers from satellites
into the water.
The US has shut down its 76 Hz transmitter in Clam Lake Wisconsin
which used 3 Megawatts of transmitter power to achieve an ERP of 8
watts!
Interesting write up on the web:
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/c3i/fs_clam_lake_elf2003.pdf

--
73 Warren K2ORS
                WD2XGJ
                WD2XSH/23
                WE2XEB/2
                WE2XGR/1


On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Roger Lapthorn
<rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is an interesting answer and today OFCOM should be tested with anot=
her
> request. I will happily do it if no-one else will.
>
> With regard to 0-9kHz induction and conduction communications, i.e.
> non-radiating systems, I wonder if they have any legal right to allocate
> "radio" licences at all? I wonder if the RA's concern was a military one=
 -
> possibly compromising transmissions to nuclear submarines in the low VLF
> region - and they were "instructed" to give this response.  If so they=
 must
> all be paranoid.
>
> On a slightly political note, I for one wish the UK government would scr=
ap
> our nuclear submarine deterrent and plough the billions saved into renew=
able
> energy research instead, but that is not for further discussion here. I'=
m
> happy to discuss this with others off-list.
>
> 73s
> Roger G3XBM
>
>
>
> On 22 February 2010 16:10, ALAN MELIA <alan.melia@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi as far as the Uk is concerned it is not allowed. You probably need=
 to
>> contact Andy G4JNT for details he did approach the regulator at one tim=
e
>> maybe around 2001/2 when Geri was doing his tests the answer as I remem=
ber
>> was:-
>> Frequencies below 10kHz are not allocated by International Treaty but=
 we
>> control all frequencies between DC and gamma rays, and no we will not=
 be
>> issuing any licences for that region.
>>
>> I believe that was the RadioCommunications Agency things may be differe=
nt
>> now with Ofcomm. The best person to know whether an approach would be
>> worthwhile would be John Gould G4WKL who nursed the 500k stuff through.
>>
>> Alan G3NYK
>>
>
> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk <http://www.g3xbm.co.uk/>=20
> http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM
> G3XBM    GQRP 1678      ISWL G11088
>



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