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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 10:32:16 +0100
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Thread-Topic: LF: AW: Beaconing on 8.79 kHz in QRSS
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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= <schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de>
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Subject: AW: LF: AW: Beaconing on 8.79 kHz in QRSS
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Hello Horst,=20
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That sounds really nice. If it would be easy to find some motivated OMs in=
 the near field (31km) ;-), that would be an interesting field to test.
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Yesterday i have thought about possible antenna configurations for that ra=
nge and got the idea that one could use a forrest as an antenna tower. The=
re, you could hang up 100s meters of wire, in series and in parallel. You=
 do not need to have that area beside your house. Nobody will see the wire=
 and nobody will care about it.
Since summer 2007 i have a horizontal loop antenna mounted in some trees=
 on my hill with excellent results on all HF bands and also 160m. The loop=
 has 130m and is mounted up to 12m above ground. Perfect matching from 160=
m to 10m with my symmetric tuner. I even tried matching on 2200m without=
 a problem but with bad ODX results, of course. But if one would try 2x 10=
*100m on VLF, the ODX would be interesting...
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JO30OT is abt 160km from JN49IS and thus a little far i think ;-)
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What is your RX antenna and have you already catched some commercial VLF=
 stations in that range? Are there some?
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73, Stefan
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PS: One can be sure that there will never be SSB operation ;-)

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Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von Horst St=F6cker
Gesendet: Mo 22.02.2010 09:29
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: RE: LF: AW: Beaconing on 8.79 kHz in QRSS



Hallo Stefan,

there was a notice in Funkamateur 12/05, S. 1287, that in DL the range <9k=
Hz is free.

I could not believe that so I asked the BNetzA and after a while I got a=
 letter which confirmed that.

So there nothing you've got to do for getting a licence. You do not need=
 one.

There is no limitation of technical parameters like bandwith or power.

Hard to believe in german, but obviously true.

My QTH is Siegburg JO30OT

Horst
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NEU: Mit WEB.DE DSL =FCber 1000,- =BF sparen!
http://produkte.web.de/go/02/



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