Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.86]) by air-df05.mail.aol.com (v127_r1.1) with ESMTP id MAILINDF051-5ef24b84076733e; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:50:47 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 13D10380000A2; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:50:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NjxxE-0002PE-4y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:49:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NjxxD-0002P5-Kc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:49:47 +0000 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NjxxA-0005Lt-My for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:49:47 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAFOVg0tcGOT+/2dsb2JhbACNDwONenO9a4JAgiwE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,527,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="303313691" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.24.228.254]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 23 Feb 2010 16:49:17 +0000 Message-ID: <004a01cab4a8$21dbf890$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <001401cab497$85c1ea60$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641002230838u68f9a31bw9b414fd655f2af13@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:49:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: DATA Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0047_01CAB4A8.21AC5D10" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40564b84075e4e61 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01CAB4A8.21AC5D10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roger Like the man said the 9 Kcs craze is but the latest Appliance Operator= TOY, however when you fire up the TOY I will look out for you, Jim mi= ght join in. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 4:38 PM Subject: Re: LF: DATA Mal, G7NKS has largely echoed my views on your email.=20 Yes, HF conditions have been getting better. VK9 was worked on 10m= from the UK today (on CW and not by me). I was able to decode the 1W= WSPR signals on 10m from V53ARC (running just 1W) this morning and fr= om FR1GZ (10W) yesterday. WSPR is hugely helpful in propagation testin= g on the higher HF bands and does not need much power. There is lots= of WSPR activity on HF, although more on 10m would be useful to help= seek out fleeting openings. PSK31 is widely used of course. Regarding <9kHz, clearly it is very unlikely any great distances wil= l be spanned, but there is much that can be learned from such experime= nts. I have experimented with this in the past and hope to do so again= soon, but using the best weak signal techniques this time. Your remarks about 500kHz "appliance operators" are not helpful. Ho= wever, it's a free country and you're entitled to express your views,= even if we choose to differ. 73s Roger G3XBM=20 On 23 February 2010 14:50, mal hamilton wrot= e: Generally band condx vy good at present from LF to HF as far as 24= Mcs. Modes mostly CW and SSB world wide, some strong USA stns. What is noticeable is the lack of Amtor, Pactor and packet transmi= ssions but RTTY seems to have survived over the years. Observations indicate that data mode acty does not last long, the= novelty wares off, whereas the traditional modes CW, SSB and RTTY are= still going strong. Some will argue that cw and rtty are data but I am referring to th= e fly by night data modes Amtor, pactor, packet and all the JT, wspr= etc, tuning across the bands today I did not hear any of these modes. Obviously the majority of ham operators are not interested. It wou= ld appear MF attracts the Appliance Operator, and the 8.7739872 Kcs Dr= eamers!! If you fancy your chances on VLF below 9 Kcs I will listen out. I= have a suitable RX and antenna. Your observations ? de G3KEV --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01CAB4A8.21AC5D10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Roger
Like the man said the 9 Kcs craze is= but the latest=20 Appliance Operator TOY, however when you fire up the TOY I will look= out for=20 you, Jim might join in.
 
mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 23,= 2010 4:38=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: DATA

Mal,

G7NKS has largely echoed my views on your= email.=20

Yes, HF conditions have been getting better. VK9 was worked= on 10m=20 from the UK today (on CW and not by me). I was able to decode= the 1W=20 WSPR signals on 10m from V53ARC (running just 1W) this morning and= from FR1GZ=20 (10W) yesterday. WSPR is hugely helpful in propagation testing on th= e higher=20 HF bands and does not need much power. There is lots of WSPR= activity=20 on HF, although more on 10m would be useful to help seek out fleetin= g=20 openings. PSK31 is widely used of course.

Regarding <9kHz,= clearly=20 it is very unlikely any great distances will be spanned, but there= is much=20 that can be learned from such experiments. I have experimented with= this in=20 the past and hope to do so again soon, but using the best weak signa= l=20 techniques this time.

Your remarks about 500kHz "appliance op= erators"=20 are not helpful.  However, it's a free country and you're entit= led to=20 express your views, even if we choose to differ.

73s
Roger= G3XBM=20


On 23 February 2010 14:50, mal hamilton <g3ke= vmal@talktalk.net>=20 wrote:
Generally band condx vy good at= present from LF=20 to HF as far as 24 Mcs. Modes mostly CW and SSB world wide, some= strong USA=20 stns.
What is noticeable is the lack of= Amtor, Pactor=20 and packet transmissions but RTTY seems to have survived over the= =20 years.
Observations indicate that data= mode acty does=20 not last long, the novelty wares off, whereas the traditional mode= s CW, SSB=20 and RTTY are still going strong.
Some will argue that cw and rtty= are data but I=20 am referring to the fly by night data modes Amtor, pactor, packet= and all=20 the JT, wspr etc, tuning across the bands today I did not hear any= of these=20 modes.
Obviously the majority of ham ope= rators are not=20 interested. It would appear MF attracts the Appliance Operator, an= d the=20 8.7739872 Kcs Dreamers!!
If you fancy your chances on VLF= below 9 Kcs I=20 will listen out. I have a suitable RX and antenna.
Your observations ?
 
de G3KEV
 
 



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