Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.220]) by air-db10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB103-864c4b693f9cb7; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 04:19:24 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3F845380001ED; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 04:19:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NcbN7-0001zx-Ji for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 09:18:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NcbN7-0001zo-1m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 09:18:05 +0000 Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NcbN5-0005hQ-SU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 09:18:05 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.3]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100203091757.VVPC10950.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 09:17:57 +0000 Received: from [86.24.144.39] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NcbMz-0005Wd-Dj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 09:17:57 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: <12077821.1264946261487.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1ACF@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4C25D51A6FE646D5B8D9D37C87EA6BBC@lindavideo> <02E3EF3F48994AB88A1489042CE7EA02@JimPC> <284438.50947.qm@web87001.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AD5@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <00a101caa471$beaf7530$1bb2a8c0@vp2fc459c0ffcf> <20100203082523.6D257F3862@smtps02.kuleuven.be> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 09:17:56 -0000 Message-ID: <003001caa4b1$c5b831b0$0217aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20100203082523.6D257F3862@smtps02.kuleuven.be> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcqkqqE87o5tdBlzRqq0ViMIqgkZDgABPbcg X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=MKpu1BcztJtq89k3sgwA:9 a=p8T0Gi0TwNHPtLGaL-kA:7 a=pF4BK828eBjfRlUibzd_Mi89KCUA:4 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: QRP on 500kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40dc4b693f9b49bc X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Rik/LF That too has been my experience. With 10W out (approx 50-100mw erp) I can work 1000km stations on WSPR with SNRs of around -20dB to -25dB. If I switch to low (1W so approx 5mW or less) I can still be copied by M0LMH at 200km and John PG in the Shetlands (916km) at -29dB, also LA3EQ (800km) and others in D/F. Similarly in the recent dry spell I was getting around 12 to 15w into antenna, now it is wet that has dropped to 10W. Sub-optimally I am using a silver birch tree as the support for my inverted L and will likely be suffering losses due to the wire running close to the trunk and then over a bough and out thru the branches. A job for summer is to use a better support away from trees! Curiously my mid range reports are the ones that disappear on QRP and the local ground wave signals collapse Obviously it has a lot to do with the noise at the Rx end too, if not more so than the output at the tx end My best dx to date on wspr mode is 1200km out to Lubos when he set up a quiet RX location but TF/SV/SP would be good. I'm sure that with right condx and 10w there is enough in the link budget at 50mw to 100mW to get to 2000km or so. If I can reiterate a plea from Roger G3XBM, if there are any 500KHz enthusiasts reading this who are in the range 1500km to 2500km from IO/JO squares, even if only on Rx then let us know when you are monitoring and we can see just how far more modest stations can get with QRo/QRP/QRPp. With best regards Jim Dr. James Cowburn G7NKS IO92ub Icom 706mk2G, 10W inverted L 6m/30m -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe Sent: 03 February 2010 08:26 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: QRP on 500kHz In the past I had noticed that my antenna detuned several kHz during rain. As it was raining last night (not a bit) I took the chance to do some antenna measurements using low power (25W input, about 15W output). Due to the bad SWR the antenna current was only 0.3A, estimated ERP about 20mW. At one moment I unintentionally started a CQ instead of giving a carrier (hitting the wrong button on the keyer) but decided to let it run while noting the measurement results in my "lab book". To my surprise I was called by Finbar (EI0CF) and had a nice QSO with him, receiving a 559 report. Condx on 500 last night seemed average to me. Conclusion: with a few Watt in a modest antenna (lazy-L, 11m high and 25m long) one can work 1000km (or more) in CW on 500kHz. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T