Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.81]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE044-5eb14b4b1bc9b3; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:38:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3B0D238000052; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:38:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUJWd-0001Mp-Gv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:37:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUJWd-0001Mg-4U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:37:39 +0000 Received: from smtp822.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUJWb-00010k-FU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:37:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 29083 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2010 12:37:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=Em33RdhycDYC0dwuIIb6wakW392lBW46EUizx24N70SSBo8pNK70//rNI/zMbb7KCaMCvyx7UKbXnOP6prhjeOpcpBxxPIQ8br0a+FeJqjMqTVrwzI6FqaUVjoodvbShL3Rb44FB3d+jPZU82S/qDxJKBe5tO/BPsptTXnINC6Y= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.119.65 with login) by smtp822.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2010 12:37:31 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: lO6wubkVM1nsjVqlOv3NGqlGz4dCmRdrJLCzIPIIxEjgNkupmrU3iTpJPQ2bIWdSMX8W0q8fdqoAZ7A6Xaio03tmp5Oykh8eknaijK74_16Kt0cxm.m16mwlddXvOoY0h426FrSDV_BZMCpFpdTSW3TALr4mBCj_d.OHGBpD8UrjeBcj7jXn6Ax4AmIruSZj_kczG2aSbDyEEpsqgJqW_5D0Op710123Qe92QYypkgbDcw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <6F949536A836435EAA682EE9E4389065@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <9afca2641001101102r6252b153lf6d911ee622589e5@mail.gmail.com> <004101ca922b$214cf0e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001101153u288ebc3dh81ba03efc09b650@mail.gmail.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <002701ca92a7$306cf080$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> In-Reply-To: <002701ca92a7$306cf080$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:37:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40514b4b1bc7105d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Mal, LF Group, G3KEV wrote: ...>The beauty of CW and variations of the mode handled by a competent operator is simplicity, just a basic TX carrier keyed on/off, basic RX just a regen TRF device and a good pair of Ears. The appliance operator needs computers, appropriate software and keyboard skills to try and achieve a similar result, and often fails....> Have you tried using "just a regen TRF device" on 136k and 500k? I have... receiving amateur CW sigs on 500k with a simple regenerative RX is quite feasible, although not very satisfactory if more than one signal is present. On 136k, it does not really work, due to insufficient rejection of DCF39 and friends, which just swamp the detector. Most people are actually receiving CW with complex modern receivers, many using digital signal processing where the signal has to pass through a computer before the competent operator can listen to it. If people want a simple receiver for these bands, try a "Softrock" or similar. Used with a domestic PC and some of the excellent free software that other appliance-operating amateurs have produced, this can produce very good results. You can build one in a tobacco tin for a few pounds, in true QRP style, although the same probably isn't true for the transmitter! G3KEV wrote: ...>There is no substitute for a skilled radio operator to pass essential short messages, which applies to most radio amateur communications...> Well, we are amateurs, engaged in "leisure activity" and it is hard to think of a time when an "essential" message has been passed by LF/MF amateurs - life could go on without us, so this does not seem very relevant. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU