Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.91]) by air-di02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI021-eaba4b4f87233bc; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:05:39 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9266838000158; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:05:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NVWrR-0002cI-NA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:04:09 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NVWrR-0002c9-3r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:04:09 +0000 Received: from smtp830.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.189.244]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NVWrO-0007gi-TF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:04:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 81836 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2010 21:04:01 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=xs7BgUBhuwfxwfoLHu5PWyIim7PrAcvv4vwKwFJVw5Ff4kpNR8KWOyHu+CzP62P2uwNc3Yb8GxGjxeaSWUtIBs2mOBL9FEsTRq8QzWBFLB5d7BnIJz/38LHnZaOyuaESkI9Pbg6o8QrBdcF413AdC8ZVEZIhC6KChoe0YOcPVo0= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.180.119.65 with login) by smtp830.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2010 21:04:01 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: J3rLDRMVM1ltJLhSzq2aKnFsyP7PqcA4IyDos_T5xN5zI3RsUYWEA8DRtUg5wS7qkNrCESs9sE7DSz2b3U2CdO4Et.JF9cbof5qbGnNYi8vchvcmoLX30N2snDGyf8SXnIoIjWXphb9OGtPZXQ1syvk1.1uka3SlBqf_mMIOT_ZYqbHXufSsjJShOSbihXByxPlZw0pjM.LV3UaScRt1qfXylaMKWjOlAN6BMHjh7M3OTsuxIxdlVg4eym0ZLDb9_SASgL2GbiSRscDsrZMWxg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <6B19E6A235CD4B6387D6C9F1DEDB7025@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <1f0624b91001131347i18ff85bbxb5977cdcb3c438f5@mail.gmail.com> <20100113220536.23ff9c6e@opc1> <20100113232415.j3jn4brkyqs4gg0s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b91001140306k7eff5b4cn9ae73cb5cc6a37fc@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001140408o9e58f8g36272480eb115958@mail.gmail.com> <9afca2641001140546v61772ef5mbb0fa9510db5eba@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:04:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500khz WSPR drift Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405b4b4f87205b8a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Andy, Roger, LF Group, In my transverter design, I have added a "ref out" socket to the IC718 driving transceiver to make the 32MHz reference oscillator available externally. This is divided to 4MHz for use as the LO in the transverter mixer. The overall frequency stability is thus that of the reference in the IC718, which has the TCXO option, so frequency is quite accurate, within about 0.1Hz at 500k last time I checked, and drift during operation rather less than that. BTW, I also have an FT-817 - I don't think they have done it on the cheap... the 22.625MHz is the actual frequency reference, driving LO and BFO DDSs via various multipliers and also providing the 2nd LO signal, but I think the 22.7785 is a VCXO which is modulated by the TX audio and then tripled to obtain NBFM at the 1st IF frequency. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" To: Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 8:22 PM Subject: Re: LF: 500khz WSPR drift > Yes, I did :-) > > The FT817 block diagram shows two oscillators in the chain a master at > 22.625 and 'another' at 22.7785 - so that idea gets knocked out > straightaway. They done it on the cheap :-( >