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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:42:21 -0800 (PST)
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Hi Roger and LF
=A0
1/ 10Mhz is a totally different situation to the 500kc/s allocation and ca=
n not be compared. Its like comparing Apples and Bananas. It's a wide band=
 compared to 500 and has very short ground wave. Mostly propagating via sk=
y wave so the issues we see on 500 just don't apply.
=A0
2/ The Sideband beacon transmission=A0from one of the EU "Vanity" stations=
 HF of the British experimental and research allocation does not have any=
 real impact on the British allocation as far as I can see so it is a non=
 issue IMHO although its purpose is slightly beyond my Neanderthal=A0brain=
.=A0=A0

3/ We should all be nice to each other?.... The=A0Third Man was on TV over=
 the week end and .........=A0=A0
=A0
Harry Lime said ..... =A0"In Italy, for 30 years under the Borgias, they=
 had warfare, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonar=
do da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they have brotherly love.=
 They had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? -=
 The cuckoo clock!"=A0=A0=20
=A0
Think on!

73 es=A0HNY petefmt

--- On Sat, 2/1/10, Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:


From: Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Saturday, 2 January, 2010, 22:20


Mal,=20

Some suggestions:


More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more than 100 at a time ba=
sed on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together within just a 200Hz slice=
 of the band allowing very useful data on propagation and station performa=
nce/changes to be determined.=A0 This would leave plenty of room elsewhere=
 in the band for CW and other narrowband conversational modes.
Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not UK), is of=
 interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's not a good idea to us=
e this mode when the band is open for really long-distance DX if interfere=
nce to weak signals is likely.
You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tolerant and moan le=
ss".=20
73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector

Roger G3XBM





2010/1/2 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>



I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreading over 3 kcs wide and=
 S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to those of us trying to li=
sten and work the East Coast USA stations. I cannot understand why a stati=
on is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow band allocation.=20
The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons.
Does anyone else have an opinion?
G3KEV
=A0


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http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088



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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D=
"top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Hi Roger and LF</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>1/ 10Mhz is a totally different situation to the 500kc/s allocation=
 and can not be compared. Its like comparing Apples and Bananas. It's a wi=
de band compared to 500 and has very short ground wave. Mostly propagating=
 via sky wave so the issues we see on 500 just don't apply.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>2/ The Sideband beacon transmission&nbsp;from one of the EU "Vanity"=
 stations HF of the British experimental and research allocation does not=
 have any real impact on the British allocation as far as I can see so it=
 is a non issue IMHO although its purpose is slightly beyond my Neandertha=
l&nbsp;brain.&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR></DIV>
<DIV>3/ We should all be nice to each other?.... The&nbsp;Third Man was on=
 TV over the week end and .........&nbsp;&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<P style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=3DMsoNormal>Harry Lime said .....=
 &nbsp;"In Italy, for 30 years under the Borgias, they had warfare, murder=
 and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the=
 Renaissance. In Switzerland they have brotherly love. They had 500 years=
 of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? - The cuckoo clock!"&n=
bsp;&nbsp; </DIV>
<P style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;</DIV>
<P style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=3DMsoNormal>Think on!</DIV>
<DIV><BR>73 es&nbsp;HNY petefmt<BR><BR>--- On <B>Sat, 2/1/10, Roger Laptho=
rn <I>&lt;rogerlapthorn@gmail.com&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT:=
 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: Roger Lapthorn &lt;rogerlapthorn@gmail.c=
om&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=
.org<BR>Date: Saturday, 2 January, 2010, 22:20<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv2112162499>Mal, <BR><BR>Some suggestions:<BR>
<OL>
<LI><I>More</I> people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more than 100=
 at a time based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together within just=
 a 200Hz slice of the band allowing very useful data on propagation and st=
ation performance/changes to be determined.&nbsp; This would leave plenty=
 of room elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband conversational=
 modes.</LI>
<LI>Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it (not UK), is=
 of interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's <I>not</I> a good=
 idea to use this mode when the band is open for really long-distance DX=
 if interference to weak signals is likely.</LI>
<LI>You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more tolerant and moa=
n less". <BR></LI></OL>73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector<B=
R><BR>Roger G3XBM<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>2010/1/2 mal hamilton <SPAN dir=3Dltr>&lt;<A href=
=3D"http://uk.mc281.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dg3kevmal@talktalk.net"=
 rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank ymailto=3D"mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">g=
3kevmal@talktalk.net</A>&gt;</SPAN><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; MARGIN: 0pt=
 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3Dgmail_quote>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spread=
ing over 3 kcs wide and S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to=
 those of us trying to listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I cann=
ot understand why a station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow band=
 allocation. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons.=
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Does anyone else have an opinion?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>G3KEV</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR clear=3Dall><BR>-- <BR>-=
------------------------------------------------------------<BR><A href=3D=
"http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank>http://g3x=
bm-qrp.blogspot.com/</A><BR><A href=3D"http://www.g3xbm.co.uk/" rel=3Dnofo=
llow target=3D_blank>http://www.g3xbm.co.uk</A><BR>G3XBM &nbsp; &nbsp;GQRP=
 1678 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;ISWL G11088<BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></td></tr></ta=
ble><br>



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