Return-Path: Received: from rly-da10.mx.aol.com (rly-da10.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.84]) by air-da03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA032-a934b42290f15a; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 12:44:59 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA103-a934b42290f15a; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 12:44:49 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRqy6-0000m5-C3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:43:50 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRqy5-0000lw-I9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:43:49 +0000 Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.213.8]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRqy2-0003rW-JB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:43:49 +0000 Received: from [172.23.170.142] (helo=anti-virus02-09) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NRqy1-0004dN-QX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:43:45 +0000 Received: from [92.235.33.173] (helo=p4) by asmtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NRqy0-0001IN-Gl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:43:45 +0000 Message-ID: <4E66E5A6231D407898A2A06295F842B0@p4> From: "Mark" To: References: <005801ca8be9$fe628230$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001021420k5b4b5856x2dadbe35e2c87ead@mail.gmail.com> <000f01ca8d1e$5ff69010$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001040235u530e68b2i6c663bd665de075b@mail.gmail.com> <003701ca8d56$71677570$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 17:43:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Z codes etc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0120_01CA8D65.758F0140" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0120_01CA8D65.758F0140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ZKB? ZHP G3KEV ???? ZCS ZAZ=20 For those interested in Z codes http://ww2.isys.ca/lberta/zcode1.html Seriously though Mal. You seem to be lucky enough to be able to devote= hours of your day to policing the lower bands, and actually operating= , which must be great. Most of us have other things to do and some ca= n contribute more by the use of innovative software and systems that= allow automatic reporting of signals at levels comparable to or bette= r than any human operator, without having to stay glued to the receive= r. I fully expect to be able to gather enough data from WSPR transmission= s eventually to measure the movement and size of propagation 'zones'= and probably other useful data too. I don't expect you to understand= the technicalities, I have only a limited ability in this area, I fin= d the maths hard, but then I am not a Nobel prize winner. There are th= ose in our community who really do understand what the potential is an= d are working hard to realise it.=20 The use of these modes and the potential benefits may be outside your= interests, but have the courtesy to respect that others actively wish= to use the band for genuine experimental reasons, rather that just op= erating. Some may not even want to have QSOs =20 FWIW, I am also a keen and fairly competent cw operator, perhaps witho= ut prejudices instilled by my profession, and I am able to operate and= receive weak CW within tens of Hz of other transmissions. If you are= half the operator you claim to be, you too will not be severely impac= ted by the usage of a small segment of the band by WSPR or other machi= ne generated transmissions.=20 A good proportion of my operation from 500KHz to 24GHz and even light,= is on CW, and it has netted me more DX and first countries from GM th= at I can remember. However you will find me on JT65 and JT6M regularly= on 4m and 6m as it is better for some of the propagation modes I am= interested in.=20 I will be running up a WSPR transmitting station on 500KHz soon with= luck, and will endeavour to provide the grabber and WSPR receive syst= em, 24/7 www.dc2light.co.uk =20 There is room, even in the 500KHz band, for multiple modes and interes= ts to be explored without significant conflict. Be happy that the band= is being actively used. =20 You are not going to have regular QSOs with stations like me who want= to experiment, as I am not often in a position to break out the key.= When I do have time to operate, it is likely to be on CW, the WSPR sy= stem will be off and I hope to see you there! Happy New Year Mark GM4ISM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 3:56 PM Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb ZBM2 ZBM2 ZBM2 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 10:35 AM Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb Mal - GROW UP. 2010/1/4 mal hamilton This is fantastic news for the Appliance Operator. Follow a basi= c set up guide then let the unattended machines, all 200 of them growl= ing away at each other at 2 minute intervals. Operator check data base= once a year for possible hits. I am surprised it is not more popular. Over Xmas the bulk of activity was by Radio Operators on LF usin= g CW and QRS plus some limited MF activity again using CW. de G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:20 PM Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb Mal,=20 Some suggestions: 1.. More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more tha= n 100 at a time based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together wit= hin just a 200Hz slice of the band allowing very useful data on propag= ation and station performance/changes to be determined. This would le= ave plenty of room elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband= conversational modes.=20 2.. Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it= (not UK), is of interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's= not a good idea to use this mode when the band is open for really lon= g-distance DX if interference to weak signals is likely.=20 3.. You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more to= lerant and moan less".=20 73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector Roger G3XBM 2010/1/2 mal hamilton I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreading over= 3 kcs wide and S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to those= of us trying to listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I cannot= understand why a station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow ban= d allocation.=20 The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons. Does anyone else have an opinion? G3KEV --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_0120_01CA8D65.758F0140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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ZHP G3KEV ????
 
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For those interested in Z codes
 

Seriously though Mal.= =20 You seem to be lucky enough to be able to devote hours of yo= ur day to=20 policing the lower bands, and actually operating, which must be great.=  =20 Most of us=20 have other things to do and some can contribute more by the= use of=20 innovative software and systems that allow automatic reporting of sign= als at=20 levels comparable to or better than any human operator, without&n= bsp;having=20 to stay glued to the receiver.

I fully expect to be= able=20 to gather enough data from WSPR transmissions eventually to measure=20 the movement and size of propagation 'zones'  and proba= bly other=20 useful data too. I don=92t expect you to understand the technicalities= , I have=20 only a limited ability in this area, I find the maths hard, but= then I am=20 not a Nobel prize winner. There are those in our community w= ho really=20 do understand what the potential is and are working hard to reali= se=20 it. 

The use of these modes= =20 and the potential benefits may be outside your interests, but have the= courtesy=20 to respect that others actively wish to use the band for genuine exper= imental=20 reasons, rather that just operating. Some may not even want to have=20 QSOs

=  

FWIW, I am also a=20 keen and fairly competent cw operator, perhaps without prejudices= instilled=20 by my profession, and I am able to operate and receive weak CW within= tens of Hz=20 of other transmissions. If you are half the operator you claim to be,= you too=20 will not be severely impacted by the usage of a small segment of the= band by=20 WSPR or other machine generated transmissions. 

A good proportion = ;of=20 my operation from 500KHz to 24GHz and even light, is on CW, and= it has=20 netted me more DX and first countries from GM that I can remember. How= ever you=20 will find me on JT65 and JT6M regularly on 4m and 6m as it is better= for some=20 of the propagation modes I am interested in.

I will be running up= a=20 WSPR transmitting station on 500KHz soon with luck, and will = ;endeavour=20 to provide the grabber and WSPR receive system, 24/7

www.dc2light.co.uk

=  

There is room, even=20 in the 500KHz band, for multiple modes and interests to be explor= ed without=20 significant conflict. Be happy that the band is being actively used.

=  

You are not going to= have=20 regular QSOs with stations like me who want to experiment, as I am not= often in=20 a position to break out the key. When I do have time to operate, it is= likely to=20 be on CW, the WSPR system will be off and I hope to see you=20 there!

 

Happy New Year<= /P>

Mark=20 GM4ISM

 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
Sent: Monday, January 04, 201= 0 3:56=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social= ssb

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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 04,= 2010 10:35=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Anti Socia= l ssb

Mal - GROW UP.

2010/1/4 mal hamilton <= ;g3kevmal@talktalk.net<= /A>>
This is fantastic news for the= Appliance=20 Operator. Follow a basic set up guide then let the unattended ma= chines,=20 all 200 of them growling away at each other at 2 minute interval= s.=20 Operator check data base once a year for possible hits.
I am surprised it is not more= =20 popular.
Over Xmas the bulk of activity= was by Radio=20 Operators on LF using CW and QRS plus some limited MF activity= again using=20 CW.
de G3KEV
 
-----=20 Original Message -----
Sent:=20 Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:20 PM
Subject:=20 Re: LF: Anti Social ssb

Mal,

Some suggestions:
  1. More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (m= ore than=20 100 at a time based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate toge= ther=20 within just a 200Hz slice of the band allowing very useful= data on=20 propagation and station performance/changes to be determined= . =20 This would leave plenty of room elsewhere in the band for CW= and other=20 narrowband conversational modes.=20
  2. Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it= (not UK),=20 is of interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's not a=20 good idea to use this mode when the band is open for really= =20 long-distance DX if interference to weak signals is likely.= =20
  3. You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more to= lerant and=20 moan less".
73s and a happy New Year to all on= this=20 reflector

Roger G3XBM




2010/1/2 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
I am afraid we have a SSB= beacon on 508=20 kcs spreading over 3 kcs wide and S9 plus with me. Beacon SM= 6BHZ is=20 causing QRM to those of us trying to listen and work the Eas= t Coast=20 USA stations. I cannot understand why a station is licensed= to work=20 SSB in such a narrow band allocation.
The 500 kcs band is a Shamb= les swamped by=20 beacons.
Does anyone else have an=20 opinion?
G3KEV
 



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