Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.18]) by air-di02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI024-eabd4b623f6e1c1; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:52:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7230A38000047; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:52:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Nag1G-00057i-U5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:51:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Nag1G-00057Z-GW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:51:34 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Nag1E-00045K-Ko for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:51:34 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o0T1pVYi023533 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 02:51:31 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 02:51:31 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 02:51:30 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AB7@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1AB7@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: Question to the groundwave Thread-Index: AcqgfcTQocUqf0PIRuKxkrvztkfZ6QAAhuAA References: <473484.31039.qm@web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.710;28.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.29.13927 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Question to the groundwave Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CAA085.94192811" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/54131 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41124b623f6c5f17 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAA085.94192811 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Alan and LF,=20 =20 I know there are some of you who can easily answer my question that follow= s :-) =20 The maximum distance of the groundwave at a specific fieldstrength E is (a= bout) linear increasing with the antenna current of the TX antenna, right? So, if i have an antenna current of 0,5A and get a maximum distance of 100= 0km, i would reach 2000km with 1A (same RX, same surrounding noise level,= same average ground properties, same OP ;-) )?. =20 I expect, that the groundwave does not immediately stop beyond this 2000km= border but rather decreases with 1/r, just as before. =20 So, if we assume one is increasing the antenna current in the above exampl= e to 7A, is then a distance of 14000km possible? Sure, thats a very theore= tical question since there will not be the same ground conductivity on the= whole distance but anyway. =20 And it is said that the groundwave is (nearly) not affected by the daytime= , by the season and so on. There must be interferences with the sky wave,= so QSB, but this does not affect the groundwave at an other RX QTH, where= no sky wave is present!? =20 If there is so much sea water between a transatlantic distance, why is it= so difficult to do it with the groundwave? On HF or MF it is clear but on= LF?=20 =20 Tnx for enlightning answers... =20 Stefan/DK7FC =20 ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von ALAN MELIA Gesendet: Fr 29.01.2010 01:51 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: Ok its a sea path .. but this is getting silly Ah this 500k stuff is too easy Graham :-)) oh for 73kHz again ! 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