Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.75]) by air-ma09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA091-b5344b4a54253da; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:26:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 403653800006D; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:26:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NU6EB-0006DX-RY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:25:43 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NU6EB-0006DO-3o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:25:43 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NU6E9-0001Pg-9R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:25:43 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o0AMPaOv003330 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:25:37 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:25:38 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:25:37 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Thread-Index: AcqSO0YBuMPzCV94QIis7w1rkuWOLAAAOOOh References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop><9afca2641001101102r6252b153lf6d911ee622589e5@mail.gmail.com><004101ca922b$214cf0e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf><9afca2641001101153u288ebc3dh81ba03efc09b650@mail.gmail.com> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.670;10.01.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.1.10.221224 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA9243.D59B90A9" Subject: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404b4b4a542331a9 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA9243.D59B90A9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear LF,=20 WSPR offers new dx records for all LF stations, sure. With QRSS/DFCW it is= the same, compared to CW. Perhaps some stns will successfully do TA QSOs= nw in wspr, congrats! What will happen if in 2 years the next software will be available with ev= en much better error correction and so on? What, if this software is so go= od that a QSO to VK will be possible?=20 I mean, does such a software not relativate the value or the personal mean= ing of a QSO? If you reach 5000km with a almost perfect software that does= record and publish everything automatically, is the QSO then done by you= due to your knowledge and your motivation to built up a good station and= the time you (and the QSO partner) spent to get that contact? Or is it do= ne by the software? Is the feeling about a confirmed two way contact the= same in than in CW?=20 If anyone can run a beacon with 10W TX power into a dipole for 40m and WSP= R accumulates all contacts over time, then it is just a question of time= to get a time/moment of optimal propagation on lf and so you just have to= look if the ODX increased and if not, just wait some days longer... Is that the same feeling than after a difficult but successful CW contact?= Really? If we tend to say "WSPR is 5dB better than QRSS, so why are we still doing= QRSS or even CW???", then we neglect this difference that appears to some= of us.=20 For me, personally, WSPR seems to be interesting but not really a choice= since a amateur radio QSO has something to do with a signal that has to= be catched out of a noise by a human, not by a computer. I want to listen= (or at least watch) to a signal that is followed by a human to the same= time and want to get a personal information (not such as 599tu). Anything= else is just in the region of a test that gets boring if the ODX does not= increase any more and fast enough. And all the work will be relativated= when the next, of course better, version comes out... In my opinion, the more we let the pc do the work, the more we are apart= to the human/ each other and the faster it gets boring. 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