Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (rly-mg10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.116]) by air-mg09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG091-a3a4b4c7ee21bc; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 08:53:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG104-a3a4b4c7ee21bc; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 08:53:41 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUh9z-00011D-O3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:51:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUh9z-000114-BX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:51:51 +0000 Received: from web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.126]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUh9z-0000gF-3M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:51:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 57048 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2010 13:51:43 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1263304303; bh=jYtSPuI//Qt3B7590/WbY6SQPzog/SVBkW7EF06WMjo=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FFDzTEk46e57p02JQlbtqXRRdn5vBsYiozg17FiDcw5E7NsAn5pCy7mCPb78tSpo0zDr5oSjwjeYltnJaO8tQvqUqGHDV/toQ/C7/hk23xmle+oYaPLKmy9xUnilOkKpD1Y+j4CmfbAKYQab6hZeccHqq0lT/JRe5Ob4i49mQh0= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vWoTnagzeNe7YN6t378lf/pOp/0KXWetoeK3PvKy//2WxnXioB4fAMU3u8k9LO8kjn9WvOKNOLv37ntA/JHHH71fLnOAdHjf0H1pjgfhOb5ogeM/aTtGfqqAfmaKXSVQ4pEeVorSh3CjYkMjECGoavEOw/CWG7sydDaWfJ3WmME=; Message-ID: <249428.56994.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Xup4AawVM1nz5BqNxXEpGqM2GU1jyXl.bWIlw7.IjfD_yBh7H6JdKsihitHt00Ww5EMUjv3Pc4hogtTdWitONfQFQ7O1L_ZTRpSs5UlQ0d0omIEgS4RDvZdTqBbcyVW_0bYN8DlP4V5eTnABhI2sG99kDTSA188cjkXSi12aYMPTNxagDErBYc.LRGjPDtb8EGitEiQVzngpF1FeqUAxyCmtUayREQQqw6IRq.FwwRLM7YH2Yqw- Received: from [86.130.57.5] by web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 05:51:43 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 05:51:43 -0800 (PST) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <003a01ca9377$6c872d30$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF:Ice and frost on 600m antenna Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-799213711-1263304303=:56994" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m220.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass --0-799213711-1263304303=:56994 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi LF Group =C2=A0 In an attempt to calculating the effect of ICE (Haw frost) on my antenna= I get these results.=20 With a wire diameter of 1.5mm flex weave, it comes out to 1.1 amps for 60= watts RF applied. This is confirmed crudely by observing a pair of car fe= stoon lamps (12Vx0.5A each) in parallel in the antenna up lead glowing to= full brightness. With an estimated increase in antenna wire diameter to 10mm caused by the= Haw frost I did not notice any change in antenna current by this method. Running the calculation through using a 10mm wire I get 1.2 amps and again= to an absurd size of 20mm diameter there is virtually no=C2=A0increase in= current. =C2=A0 The recent WX at this location has had no noticeable effect on the antenna= . If it did I would suspect leakage through a dodgy insulator at the top= of the inverted =E2=80=9CL=E2=80=9D up lead. The type I use is a deeply ribbed glass insulator about 8 inches long. 73 es GL petefmt =20 --0-799213711-1263304303=:56994 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi LF Group

 

In an attempt to calcul= ating the effect of ICE (Haw frost) on my antenna I get these results.

With a wire diameter of= 1.5mm flex weave, it comes out to 1.1 amps for 60 watts RF applied. This= is confirmed crudely by observing a pair of car festoon lamps (12Vx0.5A= each) in parallel in the antenna up lead glowing to full brightness.

With an estimated incre= ase in antenna wire diameter to 10mm caused by the Haw frost I did not not= ice any change in antenna current by this method.

Running the calculation= through using a 10mm wire I get 1.2 amps and again to an absurd size of= 20mm diameter there is virtually no increase in current.

 

The recent WX at this= location has had no noticeable effect on the antenna. If it did I would= suspect leakage through a dodgy insulator at the top of the inverted =E2= =80=9CL=E2=80=9D up lead.

The type I use is a dee= ply ribbed glass insulator about 8 inches long.
73 es GL petefmt<= BR>


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