Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.209]) by air-mb08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB082-a7d84b40d2a23b5; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 12:23:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DA1C9380000AF; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 12:23:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRUAC-00033N-FZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:22:48 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRUAB-00033E-Ty for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:22:47 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRUAA-0000oq-2d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:22:47 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 981547B8048 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 18:22:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73BCE31E702 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 18:22:34 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id B3D9E18056; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 18:22:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from 162.51-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (162.51-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.247.51.162]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:22:33 +0100 Message-ID: <20100103182233.hfsxz2ow00c4kso8@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:22:33 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <1f0624b90912310349r8408cbaof4bb6e0e17d6fb9a@mail.gmail.com> <20091231142137.ileq10eosgk0g4c4@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b90912310626t3c78a6bds8653c5acdea6378f@mail.gmail.com> <20100101200352.ho46a3t6hw08w4wg@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <20100101204021.dtjsbcxnj4k4gscg@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b91001011213l629c4b31s983d947b656b988@mail.gmail.com> <01235DA294C34CA4A34054E6EB7C94BA@LAPTOP> In-Reply-To: <01235DA294C34CA4A34054E6EB7C94BA@LAPTOP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.247.51.162 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz / legal or piracy? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d14b40d2a009a1 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Michael, are you sure about that ? VRZA claims to have distributed licences. I do not know about VERON (mail to PA0SHY gereantes an out of office reply= ). 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting "M. Sanders" : > To all LF, > > Please beware that the official Dutch Telecom Agency has not yet =20 > published the issue of experimental licences for the 600m band tot =20 > the Dutch Amateur Radio organisations VERON and / or VRZA. For those =20 > able to understand Dutch language the most recent official =20 > publication is quoted below. However not all their memebers seem to =20 > have been adequately informed about the process. It is not even =20 > clear if notifications to participate in the experiment by =20 > individual Radio Amateurs have already been processed by the =20 > organisations. > > I am most sorry to inform all LF interested parties via this =20 > reflector that the transmissions like the one recorded below and and =20 > therfore QSO's with PA stations may still be regarded as an act of =20 > 'radio piracy' by the PA stations, transmitting on an frequency band =20 > without official permission. It looks like it is not 'legal' yet to =20 > QSO with PA on 600m unit official publications have been issued by =20 > Dutch Telecom Authorities and VERON and/or VRZA have informed =20 > indivual Radio Amateurs in writing about their participation to the =20 > experiments transmitting on 600m. I suppose a starting date =20 > somewhere in the future will be in order, and not legalising =20 > transmissions 'after the fact' as of 1-1-2010 0:00LET. > > Dutch Amateurs have a rich history of 'illegal' first-QSO's, =20 > starting in the 1920's with the first succesful trans Atlantic QSO's =20 > from PA. The Radio Amateur, OM Jesse, was convicted of 'radio =20 > piracy' but not fined and the Judge congratulated him and =20 > complimented him on his innovative achievement. History sometimes =20 > has the tendency to repeat it self. > > Kind regards, Best 73's, > > Michael Sanders, PC4M > > > > > QUOTE: >> > > Onderzoek naar toegang tot 500 KHz voor radiozendamateurs > > 23-12-2009 > > Tijdens het overleg met de belangenverenigingen voor =20 > radiozendamateurs VERON en VRZA op 7 oktober 2009 zijn afspraken =20 > gemaakt over de toegang tot de 500 KHz band. De verenigingen zullen =20 > onderzoeken wat de effecten zijn van het uitzenden in deze =20 > frequentieband in relatie tot de randvoorwaarden die voor de WRC =20 > 2012 zijn voorgesteld voor de 500 KHz band. De resultaten van het =20 > onderzoek worden ingebracht bij de nationale voorbereidingscommissie =20 > voor de WRC 2012 (NVC). De verenigingen moeten hiervoor een rapport =20 > indienen bij Agentschap Telecom. > > Om het onderzoek te kunnen uitvoeren vragen de verenigingen een =20 > collectieve experimenteervergunning aan bij Agentschap Telecom. Over =20 > de inhoud van de aanvraag van de experimenteervergunning voeren de =20 > verenigingen nog overleg met de co=F6rdinator voor amateurzaken. De =20 > randvoorwaarden voor de aanvraag en de uitvoering van het experiment =20 > zijn inmiddels met de VRON en VRZA besproken. > > Als vergunninghouder van de experimenteervergunning zijn de =20 > verenigingen verantwoordelijk voor de uitvoering van het experiment. =20 > Zij kunnen individuele radiozendamateurs informeren hoe zij in =20 > aanmerking kunnen komen voor eventuele deelname aan dit experiment. > > Individuele aanvragen voor een experimenteervergunning voor de 500 =20 > kHz zullen door Agentschap Telecom niet worden gehonoreerd . > > Zodra de experimenteervergunningen zijn verleend, maken wij dit =20 > bekend via deze website. > > < > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gary - G4WGT > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 9:13 PM > Subject: Re: LF: PA0A on 500kHz > > Rik, > > Just looked at my grabber saves - this must be the two of you. > > 73 > > Gary - G4WGT > > 2010/1/1 Rik Strobbe =20 > > > I just worked PA0A on 502.5kHz with very good signals. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > >