Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (rly-dg03.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.87]) by air-dg08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG082-5b04b4c47203e6; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 04:55:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG031-5b04b4c47203e6; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 04:55:45 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUdSF-0007oj-0i for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:54:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUdSE-0007oa-BU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:54:26 +0000 Received: from mail-px0-f187.google.com ([209.85.216.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUdSB-0007Qk-Ra for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:54:26 +0000 Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so48676052pxi.30 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 01:54:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=NEMZfYMSXzWnFKTQY+RxH+8qX+NZ9u1igOTJDtP6DKw=; b=CxyOIC7fS9Ofnn+8P7zxyH7cqhafpZ369H8U1r6Nv6EzJVqVEiA/OuEEtwqXUBjf9o G7SjkdtXEW6mmBqMZ7DzfCSAA/r+VjHy01upOin3N9RgK+hqRRKlDZb/wu3fGvRYtQCS 7zzKI+0JGtdXseibSEDPeES4NeLh7Xur7/Z7w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=bmbt6lyFaWzRVDdW+7RO2NlqAh4AJ3rOYhQsSWEvZZVBNnjJX7h1HPadJUBrF0tjdN d6RoCq86wDvKpoYGgPXyHooPOfoGHRAfBMs9GPv6ViOeIjk5kx0ftJjotrFntvNKnKNP wdSPJ8JMPis6E7jVyRGixQ9uCScybX63MNDjM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.124.12 with SMTP id b12mr5877336rvn.11.1263290055520; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 01:54:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1263251308.32568.30.camel@pat-compaq-evo> References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <002701ca92a7$306cf080$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <20100111120918.29c48e1d@opc1> <1263222973.15328.20.camel@pat-compaq-evo> <005e01ca92dc$a83d23c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <1263251308.32568.30.camel@pat-compaq-evo> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:54:14 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 333dcbe1cc6e2429 Message-ID: <1f0624b91001120154p1f3674dakea8358956224084e@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000325560e2e01f198047cf4a3e8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m213.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000325560e2e01f198047cf4a3e8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Pat, LF, *You wrote :-* *"**As to my own LF achievements, my greatest occured many years ago (approx. 50) when I used a little glass encapsulated device together with a toilet roll centre and some wire salvaged from an old transformer and a couple of bits from an old radio to generate enough volts across an old government-surplus headset to receive something called "The Light Programme" from the BBC. I didn't even know about something called LF or MF. At the age of approximately 11 years that feeling of achievement was so mind-blowing that nothing I have done in radio ever since has ever surpassed it"* *I didn't look at it from that perspective but I have just realised that I did exactly the same when I was about 12 years (58 years ago). That brings back the memories of my little "shack" under the stairs in my parents small terraced house & a wire up to the loft.* 73 Gary - G4WGT. 2010/1/11 g4gvw > Oh dear Mal! > > I'm afraid I must, therefore, admit to being a British citizen living in > the country of my birth and consequently subject to ITS laws and > regulations. I also have to accept that in practical terms there is a > political influence at work in the legislature of any country with a > legal or regulatory system. > As to my own LF achievements, my greatest occured many years ago > (approx. 50) when I used a little glass encapsulated device together > with a toilet roll centre and some wire salvaged from an old transformer > and a couple of bits from an old radio to generate enough volts across > an old government-surplus headset to receive something called "The Light > Programme" from the BBC. I didn't even know about something called LF or > MF. At the age of approximately 11 years that feeling of achievement was > so mind-blowing that nothing I have done in radio ever since has ever > surpassed it so I now take a lot of impressing and multiple DXCC on > every frequency from DC to Light just doesn't cut it anymore as an end > in itself. > You see that achievement all those years ago was born out of ignorance > - I no longer have that excuse! > > > > On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 16:39 +0000, mal hamilton wrote: > > That was a political decision, the GPO, BBC and others were afraid a mere > > radio amateur might get ahead of them at the time. The same criteria did > not > > apply in other countries like the USA and others worldwide. > > G3KEV > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "g4gvw" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 3:16 PM > > Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... > > > > > > > This discussion seems a bit pointless and is not getting anyone > > > anywhere. After all, the original AA (Artificial Aerial) licences from > > > which the modern licence (and by default its ethos) derives was > intended > > > to allow the experimenter to generate Rf with a prohibition on any > > > effective radiation. > > > One might also consider the definition of "message" - the presence or > > > otherwise of a carrier of whatever duration or amplitude might be > > > considered a "message"! > > > If you really want to be pedantic, were I not to be an amateur radio > > > licence holder, would I be permitted to listen to those stations who > > > have notices of variation etc. From where I'm sitting I cannot > determine > > > whether or not they are "authorised" from the point of view of a > > > listener under the regulations. > > > My licence does not appear to require me to transmit anything at any > > > time. It simply (or with complications) sets out terms and conditions > to > > > which I am expected to adhere when I do radiate RF. > > > I am getting very concerned that somewhere "out there" is a strange and > > > mythical figure called "The Perfect Radio Amateur". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 12:36 +0000, David Pratt wrote: > > > > In a recent message, John P-G wrote > ... > > > > > > > > > >Where is the requirement to pass any message whatsoever? > > > > > > > > Clause 1(1)(a) of the Terms, conditions and limitations of your > Licence: > > > > > > > > The Licensee shall ensure that the Radio Equipment is only used: > > > > for the purpose of self-training in radio communication, including > > > > conducting technical investigations.... > > > > > > > > The SRP does not replace the Amateur Radio Licence; it is merely an > > > > addition to it. > > > > > > > > To me, radio communication means passing messages. > > > > > > > > 73 > > > > > > > > David G4DMP > > > > > > > -- > > > 73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw > > > qth nr felixstowe uk > > > (east coast, county of suffolk) > > > > > > > > > > > -- > 73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw > qth nr felixstowe uk > (east coast, county of suffolk) > > > --000325560e2e01f198047cf4a3e8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pat, LF,

You wrote :-
"As to my own LF achievements= , my greatest occured many years ago
(approx. 50) when I used a little glass encapsulated device together
wi= th a toilet roll centre and some wire salvaged from an old transformer
= and a couple of bits from an old radio to generate enough volts across
an old government-surplus headset to receive something called "The Li= ght
Programme" from the BBC. I didn't even know about somethin= g called LF or
MF. At the age of approximately 11 years that feeling of= achievement was
so mind-blowing that nothing I have done in radio ever since has ever
s= urpassed it"

I didn't look at it from that perspective but I have just= realised that I did exactly the same when I was about 12 years (58 years= ago). That brings back the memories of my little "shack" under= the stairs in my parents small terraced house & a wire up to the loft= .

73=

Ga= ry - G4WGT.
<= font class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"arial, sans-serif">
<= br>
2010/1/11 g4gvw <g4g= vw@aol.com>
Oh dear Mal!=

I'm afraid I must, therefore, admit to being a British citizen living= in
the country of my birth and consequently subject to ITS laws and
regulations. I also have to accept that in practical terms there is a
political influence at work in the legislature of any country with a
legal or regulatory system.
As to my own LF achievements, my greatest occured many years ago
(approx. 50) when I used a little glass encapsulated device together
with a toilet roll centre and some wire salvaged from an old transformer and a couple of bits from an old radio to generate enough volts across
an old government-surplus headset to receive something called "The Li= ght
Programme" from the BBC. I didn't even know about something calle= d LF or
MF. At the age of approximately 11 years that feeling of achievement was so mind-blowing that nothing I have done in radio ever since has ever
surpassed it so I now take a lot of impressing and multiple DXCC on
every frequency from DC to Light just doesn't cut it anymore as an end=
in itself.
=A0You see that achievement all those years ago was born out of ignorance<= br> - I no longer have that excuse!



On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 16:39 +0000, mal hamilton wrote:
> That was a political decision, the GPO, BBC and others were afraid a= mere
> radio amateur might get ahead of them at the time. The same criteria= did not
> apply in other countries like the USA and others worldwide.
> G3KEV
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "g4gvw" <g4gvw@ao= l.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group= @blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 3:16 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW...
>
>
> > This discussion seems a bit pointless and is not getting anyone<= br> > > anywhere. After all, the original AA (Artificial Aerial) licence= s from
> > which the modern licence (and by default its ethos) derives was= intended
> > to allow the experimenter to generate Rf with a prohibition on= any
> > effective radiation.
> > One might also consider the definition of "message" -= the presence or
> > otherwise of a carrier of whatever duration or amplitude might= be
> > considered a "message"!
> > If you really want to be pedantic, were I not to be an amateur= radio
> > licence holder, would I be permitted to listen to those stations= who
> > have notices of variation etc. From where I'm sitting I cann= ot determine
> > whether or not they are "authorised" from the point of= view of a
> > listener under the regulations.
> > My licence does not appear to require me to transmit anything at= any
> > time. It simply (or with complications) sets out terms and condi= tions to
> > which I am expected to adhere when I do radiate RF.
> > I am getting very concerned that somewhere "out there"= is a strange and
> > mythical figure called "The Perfect Radio Amateur". > >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 12:36 +0000, David Pratt wrote:
> > > In a recent message, John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk> wrote ... > > > >
> > > >Where is the requirement to pass any message whatsoever= ?
> > >
> > > Clause 1(1)(a) of the Terms, conditions and limitations of= your Licence:
> > >
> > > The Licensee shall ensure that the Radio Equipment is only= used:
> > > for the purpose of self-training in radio communication, in= cluding
> > > conducting technical investigations....
> > >
> > > The SRP does not replace the Amateur Radio Licence; it is= merely an
> > > addition to it.
> > >
> > > To me, radio communication means passing messages.
> > >
> > > 73
> > >
> > > David G4DMP
> > >
> > --
> > 73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw
> > =A0qth nr felixstowe uk
> > (east coast, county of suffolk)
> >
> >
>
>
--
73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw
=A0qth nr felixstowe uk
(east coast, county of suffolk)



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