Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.26]) by air-dd10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD103-86604b40fe571d2; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:30:15 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E9A583800061F; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 15:29:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NRX48-0005ia-AI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:28:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NRX47-0005iR-NL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:28:43 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.152]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NRX45-0006J2-28 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:28:43 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3423.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 247121C00081 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 21:28:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3423.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1704A1C00083 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 21:28:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.44.26]) by mwinf3423.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 6F2331C00081 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 21:28:32 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100103202832455.6F2331C00081@mwinf3423.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <147798FDC48D4E7CA02A2381502B55E5@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <571708.75185.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <571708.75185.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 20:28:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM & Anti Social ssb Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0163_01CA8CB3.4B09D290" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601a4b40fe320523 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0163_01CA8CB3.4B09D290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Its like comparing Apples and Bananas .. err .. sounds more like th= e Watford gap beacon syndrome ... an amusing window of time , wher= e those who elected to live in the frozen north of the country ,= watched from a afar as our southern counterparts proceeded to flood= the land with beacon ground wave's resulting in harsh words , vexed= post's and qrt's ...these days the land still floods but only by ac= t of ..... whoever=20 EU "Vanity" station .. well the same station transmitted the zl2afp= sounder system in ssb and produced some useful results http://group= s.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/zl2afp-psk-sounder ... at least we kn= ow why psk31 doesn't travel too well on 500=20 And holds the 500 distance record to the north of china .... Vanity= ?=20 G .. ))=20 From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:42 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM & Anti Social ssb Hi Roger and LF 1/ 10Mhz is a totally different situation to the 500kc/s allocat= ion and can not be compared. Its like comparing Apples and Bananas. It= 's a wide band compared to 500 and has very short ground wave. Mostly= propagating via sky wave so the issues we see on 500 just don't apply= . 2/ The Sideband beacon transmission from one of the EU "Vanity"= stations HF of the British experimental and research allocation does= not have any real impact on the British allocation as far as I can se= e so it is a non issue IMHO although its purpose is slightly beyond my= Neanderthal brain. =20 3/ We should all be nice to each other?.... The Third Man was on= TV over the week end and ......... =20 Harry Lime said ..... "In Italy, for 30 years under the Borgias= , they had warfare, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelange= lo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they have= brotherly love. They had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what= did that produce? - The cuckoo clock!" =20 =20 Think on!=20 73 es HNY petefmt --- On Sat, 2/1/10, Roger Lapthorn wro= te: From: Roger Lapthorn Subject: Re: LF: Anti Social ssb To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Saturday, 2 January, 2010, 22:20 Mal,=20 Some suggestions: 1.. More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (more tha= n 100 at a time based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate together wit= hin just a 200Hz slice of the band allowing very useful data on propag= ation and station performance/changes to be determined. This would le= ave plenty of room elsewhere in the band for CW and other narrowband= conversational modes.=20 2.. Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it= (not UK), is of interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's= not a good idea to use this mode when the band is open for really lon= g-distance DX if interference to weak signals is likely.=20 3.. You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more to= lerant and moan less".=20 73s and a happy New Year to all on this reflector Roger G3XBM 2010/1/2 mal hamilton I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on 508 kcs spreading over= 3 kcs wide and S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ is causing QRM to those= of us trying to listen and work the East Coast USA stations. I cannot= understand why a station is licensed to work SSB in such a narrow ban= d allocation.=20 The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamped by beacons. Does anyone else have an opinion? G3KEV --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0163_01CA8CB3.4B09D290 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Its like comparing Apples and Bananas   .. err  ..= sounds=20 more like the  Watford gap beacon syndrome ...  an amusing= =20 window  of time  , where  those who elected to  li= ve in=20 the  frozen north of the  country , watched from a afar as= our=20 southern counterparts proceeded to flood the  land with  bea= con ground=20 wave's resulting in harsh words , vexed post's and qrt's ...these days= the =20 land still floods but only  by act of  ..... whoever
 
EU "Vanity"  station .. well the  same station transmit= ted the=20 zl2afp sounder system in ssb and  produced some useful results&nb= sp; http://groups.google.c= om/group/uk500khz/web/zl2afp-psk-sounder =20 ... at least we know  why psk31 doesn't travel too  well&nbs= p; on 500=20
 
And holds the 500  distance reco= rd=20 to the  north of china .... Vanity ?=20
 
G .. ))
 
 

From: M0FMT
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM & Anti Social ssb

Hi Roger and LF
 
1/ 10Mhz is a totally different situation to the 500kc/s al= location=20 and can not be compared. Its like comparing Apples and Bananas.= It's a=20 wide band compared to 500 and has very short ground wave. Mostly= =20 propagating via sky wave so the issues we see on 500 just don't= =20 apply.
 
2/ The Sideband beacon transmission from one of the EU= "Vanity"=20 stations HF of the British experimental and research allocation= does not=20 have any real impact on the British allocation as far as I can= see so it=20 is a non issue IMHO although its purpose is slightly beyond my= =20 Neanderthal brain.  
3/ We should all be nice to each other?.... The Third= Man was on=20 TV over the week end and .........  
 

Harry Lime sa= id .....=20  "In Italy, for 30 years under the Borgias, they had warfar= e, murder=20 and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci= , and the=20 Renaissance. In Switzerland they have brotherly love. They had= 500 years=20 of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? - The cuckoo= =20 clock!"  =20

=20

Think on!=20


73 es HNY petefmt

--- On Sat, 2/1/10, Ro= ger=20 Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:

From:=20 Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com>
Subject: Re:= LF: Anti=20 Social ssb
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Saturd= ay, 2=20 January, 2010, 22:20

Mal,

Some suggestions:
  1. More people should use WSPR - lots of stations (m= ore than=20 100 at a time based on 10MHz usage) are able to operate toge= ther=20 within just a 200Hz slice of the band allowing very useful= data on=20 propagation and station performance/changes to be determined= . =20 This would leave plenty of room elsewhere in the band for CW= and other=20 narrowband conversational modes.=20
  2. Occasional testing with SSB, for those allowed to use it= (not UK),=20 is of interest to me as a listener, but I agree that it's not a=20 good idea to use this mode when the band is open for really= =20 long-distance DX if interference to weak signals is likely.= =20
  3. You should try a New Year resolution: "I will be more to= lerant and=20 moan less".
73s and a happy New Year to all on= this=20 reflector

Roger G3XBM




2010/1/2 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.ne= t>
I am afraid we have a SSB beacon on= 508 kcs=20 spreading over 3 kcs wide and S9 plus with me. Beacon SM6BHZ= is=20 causing QRM to those of us trying to listen and work the Eas= t Coast=20 USA stations. I cannot understand why a station is licensed= to work=20 SSB in such a narrow band allocation.
The 500 kcs band is a Shambles swamp= ed by=20 beacons.
Does anyone else have an opinion?
G3KEV
 



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