Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.222]) by air-di05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI053-eac84b4b6c871e; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:23:03 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CF43C380000A0; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:22:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUOtt-0004pk-6w for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:22:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUOts-0004pb-QJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:22:00 +0000 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUOtp-0003C0-BA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:22:00 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiMGAFP7SktZ8XOf/2dsb2JhbACIJtAahC8E X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,257,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="274973181" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.241.115.159]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2010 18:21:47 +0000 Message-ID: <006a01ca92ea$ef6c5fa0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <9afca2641001101102r6252b153lf6d911ee622589e5@mail.gmail.com> <004101ca922b$214cf0e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <9afca2641001101153u288ebc3dh81ba03efc09b650@mail.gmail.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <002701ca92a7$306cf080$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <20100111120918.29c48e1d@opc1> <20100111141623.0d41fa7f@opc1> <4B4B6317.1090907@usa.net> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:21:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40de4b4b6c80549c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Om Like you suggest two licences A and B Licence A Radio Amateurs that can communicate using Morse Code and use a soldering iron to build a wireless and communicate. Licence B Appliance Operators that mind machines to communicate on their behalf especially when they are asleep and cannot do any of the above. I realize Italy is a hot country and they need a lot of siesta time therefore this class would be most suitable.for them. What experience do you have on LF/MF and preferred modes. I cannot recall when we had a QSO or heard you. G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alberto di Bene" To: Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 5:42 PM Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... > > Self-training = learning something, by your own endeavours > > > > Radio Communications = the whole gamut of science & engineering involved > > in generating, radiating, receiving and detecting signals at radio > > frequencies. > > > > Where does it prescribe that one must pass 2-way messages in real time > > to undertake this "self-training"? > > There will not ever be an end to this dispute, unless we propose TWO kinds of ham radio licenses... > > License A) Released to all whose main interest is to learn new techniques or experiment old ones, either by building > themselves hardware and/or software related to radio communication, where "communication" is to be intended with the > meaning of "conveying information at distance", with whatever radio-related mean... let's call them "Radio Amateurs" > > License B) Released to all whose main interest is to use the radio to talk with other B-licensed persons, usually of > subjects of no or very little importance, either by using SSB modulation, or by operating a mechanical switch that > interrupts what otherwise would have been a CW (Continuous Wave) carrier... let's call them "Rags Chewers" > > If the two categories were allocated different frequency slots, with substantial fines in case of invasion of the other > slot, then we all could live in peace, without arguments whatsoever... Radio Amateurs with Radio Amateurs, and Rags > Chewers with Rags Chewers.... > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > >