Return-Path: Received: from rly-db03.mx.aol.com (rly-db03.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.78]) by air-db07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB073-ab74b2cd9eeb; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 08:49:42 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB035-ab74b2cd9eeb; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 08:49:35 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLzbl-0001ls-LC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:44:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLzbl-0001lj-8R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:44:33 +0000 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.153]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLzf1-0002Rg-93 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:47:57 +0000 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so847472fga.10 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 05:48:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=5mYXEvf9tsv61x7kAx8B3UzINVHfgT1JXgbT0HOqg0c=; b=i1ANdzOkscxC6vKF0XRWm1YGEN8LlobIxTsLT2Clgkdensy3DAMmuWKiY7ESltGAYZ OmTSl/W83H8WoIaFVkGedWZ94n29gP1nwIludZ5F4KGCplz0D2RGtUKK1pWufntDalz7 WGiy87vG34OrjwoRfM9Nybg2j5xFzr9Bw9vdc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ebmOGtOTaRKnCX8401JZxhn/tiPXsgIrjHmfJUypnbBvGfBtZw5OuU8VcEGXTUP/Db 7a/Ot5/8N680JRD1YeEK+70D3vmOthTptYzi+oTB1wLst4EAjlB2XzVVzuyWIsZ2XTyj /zVplcJmxA3typrLrb3C9HVYdfFztKQZ61Onk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.139.154 with SMTP id t26mr577601hbt.74.1261230515455; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 05:48:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <001e01ca80b0$392cb0b0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <346854e9698cbf94f4483c66682bb63b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <001e01ca80b0$392cb0b0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:48:35 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d259.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) In which case, mounting it on top of a 20m high steel framed building is like having a 20m whip???? Or does the size of the plane under the active element matter. Our works one has an antenna platform of a few metres square of metal grid which itself is a few metres above the roof of the actual building (erected to keep antennas above air conditioning plant and safety walls) Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police 2009/12/19 : >> I think the role of the ground with active whips is often neglected -= the >> output of the whip preamp is the voltage differential between the whip >> element and the circuit ground, so the ground connection is just as muc= h >> part of the antenna as the whip element itself is. > > That's an important point that is often overlooked or ignored. A mini wh= ip > mounted up at 5 meters is a 5 meter antenna. You can easily prove this= by > mounting it at ground zero on top of a ground screen. Been there, done= that. > > Jay W1VD =A0WD2XNS =A0WE2XGR > >