Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.77]) by air-di08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI083-eb684b2269e9c0; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:48:57 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4A17838000A1A; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:48:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ7in-0008VC-Lt for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:47:57 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ7in-0008V3-43 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:47:57 +0000 Received: from smtp09.online.nl ([194.134.42.54]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJ7il-0001KC-FN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:47:57 +0000 Received: from smtp09.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp09.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 070621E5C1 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:47:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s5593e077.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.147.224.119]) by smtp09.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:47:54 +0100 (CET) From: To: Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:47:54 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70912110724l43b18b68t5d2f18849fb14147@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp09.online.nl) X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: RE: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404d4b2269e71964 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Warren, I just wished I had that problem!! 73 Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Warren Ziegler Verzonden: vrijdag 11 december 2009 16:24 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes Markus, My antenna tuning unit is outside 100 meters away from the ham shack. I am unwilling to go out in the winter night to retune the antenna to QSY to the lower frequency segment. -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 3:38 AM, Markus Vester = wrote: > Dear LF, > > the passage should have said: > > Taking into account the path of mutual darkness, this would mean tha= t all > stations should transmit in the=A0UPPER band during their evenings= until local > midnight, and then QSY to the lower band for the rest of the night. > > Sorry for the confusion. > > 73, Markus > From: Markus Vester > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 12:14 AM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes > Dear LF group, > > recently we find the "transatlantic waterhole" around 137.777 kHz qu= ite > busy. Several Europeans have started beaconing within this segment.= And > there has been some fast (QRSS3 or 10) activity, with wide traces co= vering > up possible transatlantic DX signalling frequencies. > > During the last years, we have=A0attempted to=A0split the frequency= bands > for=A0both directions of transatlantic work.=A0Traditional segments were=A0around > 137.777 kHz west-to-east (for Americans transmitting towards Eu), an= d around > 136.320 kHz east-west (for Eu to stateside).=A0Slow modes (QRSS or= DFCW, 60 > second and longer)=A0were used almost exclusively there, and several stations > were able to successfully cross the pond in either direction. > > The situation has become a little more intricate as=A0more stations= from other > parts of the world (eg. Asia, China, Japan) are joining the game wit= h > sensitive receivers and good signals. But I still think it would be helpful > to separate RX and TX bands within each area as much as possible. > > My suggestion would be to=A0stick with the east-west=A0versus west-e= ast > allocation of the two slots. Taking into account the path of mutual > darkness, this would mean that all stations should transmit in the= lower > band during their evenings until local midnight, and then QSY to the= lower > band for the rest of the night. Receiver settings=A0would=A0of cours= e be vice > versa. > > I'm aware that this=A0scheme cannot be perfect and universal. It won= 't cover > North-South hauls, and would not protect=A0signals during early or= late > openings. But it's simple enough, and I believe it would still be ve= ry > useful. Please don't get me wrong - I do not want to discourage anyo= ne from > putting out a=A0signal, and certainly=A0reject the notion of=A0anyth= ing > reminiscent of=A0a=A0"band police". I just think a little coordinati= on may help > all of us to=A0be successful on this=A0challenging and fascinating= band. > > Let me have your thoughts... > > 73 de Markus, DF6NM > > http://freenet-homepage.de/df6nm/Grabber.htm > >