Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.74]) by air-di01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI012-eab74b2241902e9; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 07:56:48 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4A5B638000070; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 07:56:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ51H-0006nf-Gr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:54:51 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ51G-0006nW-Sl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:54:50 +0000 Received: from pne-smtpout1-sn1.fre.skanova.net ([81.228.11.98]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJ51D-0008AZ-6O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:54:50 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (81.235.167.68) by pne-smtpout1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (7.3.140.3) (authenticated as u33233109) id 4AE169E6006B56B0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:54:41 +0100 Message-ID: <4B22410F.1000306@telia.com> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:54:39 +0100 From: "Johan H. Bodin" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC12@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC12@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404a4b22418f2ca2 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Stefan, > Or isn't it possible to give such a relation? Yes, it is not only possible, it is in fact quite simple: When the speed is reduced by a factor K, the information bandwidth is also reduced by the same factor. This allows you to use a receiver bandwidth which is K times narrower without missing any information. The nice thing is that the noise power passing through this bandwidth is also K times smaller - The S/N ratio has improved K times (or 10*log(K) dB if you prefer). In other words, you can reduce the TX power by the same factor K and still enjoy the same SNR (if RX BW is is also made K timer narrower). In visually received QRSS, the receiver bandwidth is equal to the RBW, the "resolution bandwidth", which is approximately equal to the FFT bin width (one pixel on Argo). QRSS30 is 10dB more efficient than QRSS3, in theory at least. 73 Johan SM6LKM ---- Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > Dear LF,=20 > Does anybody know about the "gain" between QRSS3 and QRSS10 or QRSS30?= I mean, if the noise in both cases is equal, how much can I reduce my tx= pwr when switching from qrss3 to qrss10? Or isn't it possible to give suc= h a relation? > And: Was there ever a TA QSO in QRSS3? > I am new on the reflector, sri ;-) >=20 > Stefan / DK7FC >=20 >=20