Return-Path: Received: from rly-df03.mx.aol.com (rly-df03.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.16]) by air-df07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF072-53e4b1698ce29b; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:42:08 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF037-53e4b1698ce29b; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:41:52 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFsFs-0005CO-V7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:40:40 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFsFs-0005CF-Aq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:40:40 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFsFr-00077e-Bi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:40:40 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 965302ACF19 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:40:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps02.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.138] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.58V) with ESMTP id XID109NLBqOG8032X01; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:40:32 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.138 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps02.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID109NLBqOG8032X01 Received: from [192.168.1.4] [151.47.216.216] by cmsapps02.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 496NLBqOd9872M38; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:40:29 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.216.216 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.4] Message-ID: <4B16987B.9000002@usa.net> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:40:27 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID496NLBqOE9872X38 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer wrote: >=20 > My Conclusion: It seems that a short receiving antenna can bee seen as= a=20 > capacitive divider out of the capacity between far field and antenna and= =20 > the capacity between antenna and ground. If the wire length is to much,= =20 > the input stage becomes nonlinear/goes into saturation. If the height=20 > above ground is increased the signal comes up, but not the signal/noise= =20 > ratio(surely there will be a benefit if such an antenna is placed in a= =20 > region with heavy local qrm. Then, the height should be increased and=20 > the wire length can be decreased). So, one cannot say =E2=80=9Cthe more= the=20 > better=E2=80=9D talking about the wire length! It would be quite interesting if somebody could try to use, instead of a= wire, something with a greater capacity towards ground, e.g. a can of beer (after drinking= the beer, of course...:-) One of half liter (slightly more than 1 pint) could do, I think... Maybe the increased capacity towards ground could make it more effective= than a wire 73 Alberto I2PHD P.S. And the entire active antenna circuitry could be placed inside the ca= n...