Return-Path: Received: from rly-df05.mx.aol.com (rly-df05.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.18]) by air-df04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF041-5524b1e30fd30d; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 05:57:07 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF057-5524b1e30fd30d; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 05:57:02 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHxjT-0005UN-Jc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:55:51 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHxjT-0005UE-3R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:55:51 +0000 Received: from web86508.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.133]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHxjR-0006Vm-2v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:55:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 2113 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Dec 2009 10:55:43 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1260269743; bh=P4qnnEpU3NC2bGb0rYZXxa3FlIvUxMDAExHiQhoIG7U=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=BOwMlWYfkzRk+afy0qLEHd3VHY9MTrrUhvmMnnKMjIa8jeJmEIaEkZSmFbxemRvXkMMMo4rH5zFN3v1wxYrG3SVPDrvpcaMI+oLImJoc29qlHzyJ3zpG18glcmg5+TpGMSQH/l2usZCdKJ9DhdQB8d3VhQi0JIRU8FNNpTS4iSc= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=339AYL/YI03M4DzCn55iSvkYxpGgCozVGX3YFlEQ3gZZWZ7IDlfIhiJt4pome82D5nhvbumMO0xA9Z1yKuIY8f331QkSw1lS0xb4mlCBxxnixIfEOiwgrNaGYV0uGYIznxwBlQrSn0I5cGJdRkugyhNHjUCkFUx9LM+Gid38m3w=; Message-ID: <463194.1134.qm@web86508.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 9NagoW0VM1l_K.2EHtF.t6FKaEGgk8EEjlMDao95low3MS6SYFsicMfPVpZfdHTstKS24w8Ppq0TD.7ndnfIGtHoHIoUkjGtS0FIT1xNOFtgTuRJu390MVqLkZ76c_3UrU9MUv5.8mcRItnXnKP7FsmfOFmHtA2TEvTz5RYXdTCfd.49NPLKOWdJYBbpeEfEtDK0ezvscmmpkaEVU5w9HmkRWzVKVYOMYo20RPvp4KbA9IYOzyV7UZ0uuu9N5SRv1hPo7UrzNFIYStRNVM8RWHLzBrdmhM2i4CFZp5HopekIysnprjW.kKilA0Ch1rGdbwS0ci1hEO5Qpn_pfGhoI4pXEzfvVccojo0- Received: from [213.122.17.94] by web86508.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:55:43 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:55:43 +0000 (GMT) From: ALAN MELIA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Broadcast audio splatter on 136kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m275.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass Hi Janek, yes I agree a long fence wire and a local high power station wou= ld be enough for that. Also the lack of any obvious mixing association and= the closeness to Lakihegy do push ideas in the direction of ICM. It will= be interesting to see if Paul-Henrik can tie it down. Best Wishes Alan G3NYK --- On Tue, 8/12/09, Jacek Lipkowski wrote: > From: Jacek Lipkowski > Subject: Re: LF: Broadcast audio splatter on 136kHz > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Tuesday, 8 December, 2009, 9:06 > Hi Alan >=20 > Just like you said - i have no personal expierience with > the "rusty bolt" effect on LF/MF, and am extrapolating HF > ideas down to LF :) Hypotheticaly speaking the structure > size to get enough voltage into a metal-metal oxide junction > is not that great. A metal fence >100m long should be > enough for local signals. >=20 > Paul-Henrik gave two frequencies: 171kHz and 225kHz (i > can't see how they can give around 135.4kHz via mixing, so > there is probably a third station involved). These could be > Radio Russia from Kaliningrad (600kW) and Warsaw 1 from > Solec Kujawski (1MW). Obviously the two are not local to > him, so ICM might be probable (the "rusty bolt in the sky" > :). >=20 > VY 73 >=20 > Jacek / SQ5BPF >=20 >=20