Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.206]) by air-ma06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA064-b52b4b397910e6; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:35:44 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8307E380000BD; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:35:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPSqh-0007f1-6k for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 03:34:19 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPSqg-0007es-Pz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 03:34:18 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPSqe-0001IT-4C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 03:34:18 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBT3VBeZ002757 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 04:31:11 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 04:34:14 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 04:34:13 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AD0D@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <20091228175004.z90hw4yyw0gg8cwc@webmail6.kuleuven.be> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: AW: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna Thread-Index: AcqH3pFejbN/35frTRi3X62/z9pF2AAV2xXQ From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.648;28.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.29.32723 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: AW: AW: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40ce4b39790f7807 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Rik, tnx very much. I will test it and am curious about that! That would of course be even the easiest solution for the RX. In 08/2001, Rudi/DJ2EY has published a bandpass filter (4 LC Filters, loos= e capacitive coupled) in the CQDL. I already thought about building such= one. If one is choosing an attenuation so that the Ls will not be overdri= ven, that could give a fine SNR, better than with a attenuator that even= filters the wanted spectrum? 73, Stefan -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe Gesendet: Montag, 28. Dezember 2009 17:50 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: AW: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna Hello Stefan, the problem with "big" antennas for RX is that they overload the =20 receiver and cause IMD effects. Most harmfull is 3rd order IMD and the =20 good thing with an attenuator between antenna and RX is that for every =20 dB attenuation the 3rd order IMD is reduced by 3dB. Therfor you may =20 want to increase attenuation as long as the external noise level is a =20 bit stronger (let's say 3 to 6dB) than the internal (RX) noise level. As long as this is the case the attenuator will not affect the overal =20 RX sensivitity (although you will get little or no s-meter reading), =20 but IMD behaviour will improve by 100dB or more. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T