Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd05.mx.aol.com (rly-dd05.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.152]) by air-dd02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD024-b7e4b27793632c; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 06:55:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD058-b7e4b27793632c; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 06:55:35 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKVxh-0002Xv-W3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:53:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKVxh-0002Xm-HX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:53:05 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKVz2-0004ld-2N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:54:30 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBF6qCcA019290 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:52:12 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:54:43 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:54:44 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC75@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <993182564@web.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Thread-Index: Acp9dhYz5SqVBBsOQWaU9OUL9P43UwABhC5w From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.625;15.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.15.114526 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA7D7D.637B8BDB" Subject: AW: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE, YOU_WON autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7D7D.637B8BDB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, if I apply 1kW to a bad antenna and get 100mW ERP, then 10kW will ge= t 1W ERP and this is thus not nonsens of the legal limit regs but rather= a gain of 10 dB. The same when you increase from 100W to 1kW with a 10dB= better antenna. And if you then are able to do a qso in qrss3 instead of= qrss30, even the needed energy is the same! You won time, that's the gain= ! And you can enthuse the LWLs receiving nice signals!=20 =20 @Mike: Tnx for your reliable statement! And: Again tnx for your transmiisi= ons before some weeks! Will you do it again eventually the next days? I ha= ve to do some further tests ;-) =20 Stefan/DK7FC =20 =20 =20 You've nicely demonstrated the nonsense of the 1W ERP legal limit regs. The 200 W TX output on LF and 100 W TX output on MF the norwegian authorities permitted seem to be by far more reasonable to me. =20 73 Joerg, DL3NRV =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7D7D.637B8BDB Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Well, if I apply 1kW to= a bad antenna and get 100mW ERP, then 10kW will get 1W ERP and this is thus not nonsens= of the legal limit regs but rather a gain of 10 dB. The same when you increas= e from 100W to 1kW with a 10dB better antenna. And if you then are able to= do a qso in qrss3 instead of qrss30, even the needed energy is the same! You won ti= me, that’s the gain! And you can enthuse the LWLs receiving nice signals!

 

@Mike: Tnx for your reli= able statement! And: Again tnx for your transmiisions before some weeks! Will= you do it again eventually the next days? I have to do some further tests ;-)

 

Stefan/DK7FC

 

 

&n= bsp;

Yo= u've nicely demonstrated the nonsense of the 1W ERP legal limit regs.

Th= e 200 W TX output on LF and 100 W= TX output= on MF the norwegian

au= thorities permitted seem to be by far more reasonable to me.

&n= bsp;

73=

Joerg, DL3NRV

 

 

 

 

 

 

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