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(VPS 091220-0, 20-12-2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: Re: LF: Re: UK - Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz band) Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hear Hear Hear Hear Henrique CT1HX ----- Original Message ----- From: "g4gvw" To: Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 1:42 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: UK - Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz band) > Hi All, > > As someone who used to be professionally engaged in negotiating with the > aforesaid regulator in its many incarnations/reincarnations prior to > becoming Ofcomm, believe me it ain't easy! > > However, it is appreciated that each country and legislation, have their > own (sometimes peculiar) approaches to the problems posed by demanding > spectrum allocation. > > Some of us are extremely fortunate to have the talented and tenacious > advocates that achieve so much against often quite incredible pressures > from other interests. > > What is often forgotten is that some of these guys are doing this work > unrewarded, in their own time and sometimes at odds with the commercial > interests of their employers! > > For obvious reasons they cannot say this stuff on their own behalf but > maybe, at this seasonal time we can all raise a glass and say THANK YOU! > > > > > On Fri, 2009-12-18 at 18:20 +0000, Graham wrote: >> Tnx Walter >> >> Yes , we seem to of done quite well considering , I think the only >> gray area was the approach / marketing of the allocation where as >> operations where initially viewed as a follow on from 136 and as >> such its possible that it did not attract a wider response, where >> as it very soon became apparent that the band was more similar >> to 1.8 MHz in terms of coverage and the requirements for large >> arrays and power level did not materialise and in fact the compact >> array has provided most if not all of the Dx worked on the band to >> date , ''even'' Gus is using a antenna system that is within >> the boundary of his own house and is still fractional compared to >> the wave length, once I had modified my old 80 ft total inverted L >> with loading coil and top capacity section , 50 to 100 watts >> provided amazing coverage and performance on 1.8 & 3.5 also >> increased significantly .. unintended consequence ! >> >> Back in the 1970's a old friend of mine , long passed, who >> introduced me to vhf radio 2 & 4 mtr am G3SX always maintained >> that the 500 K / 600 mtr band was the original armature band in >> the period between the 1914/1945 war's and the marine service, >> once spark had been phased out , took over the band and forced the >> armature operation hf to the new fangled 1.8 and higher >> >> So may be the tapping gang where just keeping it free for us >> after all .. 70 years was long enough ! >> >> 73 - G .. >> >> >> From: Walter und Marianne Staubach >> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 5:38 PM >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: LF: Re: UK - Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 >> kHz band) >> >> >> Congrats to All on MF in G-Land. I would like we had RSGB and OFCOM in >> Germany. >> Merry Christmas >> Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: M0FMT >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 12:39 PM >> Subject: LF: UK - Update - Special Research Permits (501 to >> 504 kHz band) >> >> >> FYI 16|12|09 >> Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz band) >> Following representations made by the Radio Society of Great >> Britain and negotiations by Ofcom with the Maritime and >> Coastguard Agency, Ofcom has decided to extend the period of >> Notices of Variation (NoVs) to the licence for operation in >> the 501 to 504 kHz band until 29 February 2012. The maximum >> effective radiated power (e.r.p.) limit is maintained at 10 >> dBW (10 W). Existing NoVs are due to expire at the end of >> February 2010. >> There have been no reports of interference and investigation >> has shown that a radiated power of 10 dBW is not likely to >> cause interference. Moreover, NoV holders are permitted to >> operate only subject to causing no interference. >> Special Research Permits under a Notice of Variation to the >> Licence are made available to holders of Full Amateur Licences >> on a case by case basis to applicants who can demonstrate a >> genuine interest in experimentation at these frequencies and >> provide adequate supporting documentation for assessment. >> Due to the usage of the spectrum around the 500 kHz bands, >> applicants should pay special attention to demonstrating >> technical and operational competence in terms of transmitting >> within the frequency band and Effective Radiated Power >> (e.r.p.) parameters agreed with Ofcom. Previous experience at >> 73 kHz as well as 136 kHz will be considered desirable in this >> respect to ensure adequate steps are taken to limit any >> potential interference. >> Ofcom will monitor any interference reports and also consider >> limiting numbers if necessary in reviewing operation in the >> band. On no account will an e.r.p. level of greater than 10 >> dBW be permitted under any circumstance. >> The standard application form (OfW306) for a Special Research >> Permit can be downloaded at: >> >> http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amateur/applications/ofw306.pdf >> A fresh NoV will automatically be issued to existing NoV >> holders; new applications are not required in this instance. >> Should a fresh NoV not be required or if you are in possession >> of an NoV which is not required, please inform the Ofcom >> Licensing Centre stating your name, call sign and Licence >> number preferably by e-mail to licensingcentre@ofcom.org.uk or >> alternatively by post to the address at the end of the text. >> Form OfW306 is also available on request from the Ofcom >> Licensing Centre at: >> Ofcom Licensing Centre >> Amateur Radio >> Riverside House >> 2a Southwark Bridge Road >> London SE1 9HA >> Tel: 020 7981 3131 >> >> 73 es GL petefmt >> >> >> > -- > 73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw > qth nr felixstowe uk > (east coast, county of suffolk) > > >