Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc05.mx.aol.com (rly-dc05.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.34]) by air-dc08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC082-b1e4b295682270; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:52:08 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC052-b1e4b295682270; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:52:04 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NL1jX-0001hA-Nj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:48:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NL1jX-0001h0-5i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:48:35 +0000 Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.63]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NL1lW-0007ku-Ir for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:50:41 +0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=H9mx8cEdMOYvHFKrlEwuyHicWadIILZcIRQ+JJDCz3EPnGCAIm3xnRJlHnZPWJGp; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.240.15.186] (helo=ctrask) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1NL1lj-0004eH-Nw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:50:53 -0500 Message-ID: <00c401ca7e99$f5f439c0$5f0ff004@ctrask> From: "Chris Trask" To: References: <572685.58103.qm@web86501.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:50:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: b77fdb70683249914713efb067f9a722239a348a220c26091506c6613dda59607923284e9debb491a7ce0e8f8d31aa3f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.240.15.186 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 > > I want to start a new subject (for me it's new)... > > The last weeks I still had RX problems, either with the tx antenna or with > the short E-flied RX antenna. > > I found out that the noise was/is generated by my notebook which made > RXing difficult, even in regions without any else local QRM (what could almost > bring me to shut down the PC and just do nice and easy CW QSOs without anything > else! (but most traffic is in QRSS...)). > > Then I have done mni tests with many many ferrite cores (that I found > in an older emc lab in our institute), e.g. 20x FT50-77 plus 20x FT50-43 plus > 20x FT50-61 and e few others. I placed them all in series, partly in the near of > the preamp and/or in the near of the RX. Sure, there was a significant reduction > of noise but lastly the noise remains. > <> You've done fairly well in reducing the noise that is conducted through your power supply lines, but the inband noise being induced into the antenna and then into the receiver is not going to be quite as simple, as you seem to have learned thus far. I'm going to assume, for the moment, that you are dealing with impulse noise coming from your laptop and elsewhere. I've had to deal with a similar problem at HF frequencies resulting from what is very likely faulty sodium vapour street lights near where I live, and more than just one. That sent me into the literature of noise reduction, and I came up with the following for dealing effectively with reducing impulse noise prior to the receiver: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~christrask/Paper020.html Chris