Return-Path: Received: from rly-df04.mx.aol.com (rly-df04.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.17]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILINDF021-5474b0c3b9c55; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:01:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF046-5474b0c3b9c55; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:01:34 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ND1Yj-00071P-P0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:00:21 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ND1Yj-00071G-Ar for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:00:21 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f215.google.com ([209.85.220.215]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1ND1Yi-0003e2-Bu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:00:21 +0000 Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so7271196fxm.29 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:00:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=tWqspFGkeR/yV2BWZM2P+bb44fCCDcl7KJ59gFAaHvE=; b=SXeHtoC2gnNoRZg8gXGrlTj+ciwvcOZ/DTm5CBgVohPBjdjYsyWHv4drDFqptl0pqn 7JXuRJxIU7NCoJyTecq2IfVXIplhh97dE6CIGkns9HqzdcWJN7pWqfYJFrQ0I5C1zZa1 9SEF9IUtXSW1BER6f226qOK87+wtfjsQq30w8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=MIf7Hx5upd54AYUcFnhiSXZnMtENuiwxLOPno59T0GZELA+mUXnj+U8exb0aeyrXe4 aSmgxe40jzqVCW79AuoNSr6M7KhexyNyM5LG+tRN0ngk5TtKn0ZeXVIcTYJzVm93Q5CB HgG/FnsOzdqspL5/Rp0GBMoKOd0SpDki9JgMg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.139.161 with SMTP id t33mr750067hbt.115.1259092814158; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:00:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9afca2640911241140j230515e9kcbcaffd3911ccb82@mail.gmail.com> References: <9afca2640911241140j230515e9kcbcaffd3911ccb82@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:00:14 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: IRF510 500kHz PA stability issues - advice please Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d244.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) If you've studied the drain waveform when operating inrto a correct load, and assuming its all within design guidelines, then the trouble is because of nasty impedances presented by the antenna during the tuning process. What sort of antenna matching are you using? The often suggested idea of an an adjustable tap onto the loading coil can lead to damage as, when the antenna is detuned, the small number of turns of the link, with an untuned coil, appear not far different from a short circuit. A Class E PA, when presented with a slightly inductive short circuit can get a bit stressed. On my antenna over the years on 73, 137 now 500kHz the system has always been fed in series, using a ferrite tapped transformer to match load impedance. I kept well away from tapped or link windings as they are not easy to calculate or predict reliably. WIth a series fed system, a detuned antenna results in a high impedance. This may not always good news either to some class-E designs, but all my LF/MF PAs are completely open-circuit-proof voltage fed designs. The only true class-E one here was for 1.8MHz, and can be seen at http://www.g4jnt.com/TopbandPA.pdf . This was completely imune to open and short circuits and seemed very robust; but I did use the meatier and more robust higher voltage IRF540. Doesn't the IRF510 only have a 100V rating? Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police 2009/11/24 Roger Lapthorn : > I've been using a single IRF510 FET PA stage on 500kHz and it produces > around 6-7W of RF. But, when adjusting my antenna I've managed to damage > several devices now.=A0 I think the stage is running somewhere towards= class-E > looking at the PA drain waveform on the scope and I believe either the= stage > is going unstable or it is running in a condition in which too much curr= ent > (and heat) is taken and the device fails.500kHz teh ant > > Are there any simple "rules of thumb" or design/biasing/decoupling > guidelines to ensure that my devices don't destroy themselves with a les= s > than perfect load? > > Any simple advice would be appreciated. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > > > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------- > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088 >