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From: "Dave G3WCB" <ganymede444@btopenworld.com>
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 13:10:16 -0000
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Subject: RE: LF: PIRATES <Off Topic>
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This discussion is off topic and has nothing to do with LF or 500 kHz.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 14 November 2009 12:48
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: PIRATES



Well you have been hooked.
I have a mix of transport both a bicycle and a CLK320 for your records,
living dangerously.

G3KEV

----- Original Message -----
From: "g4gvw" <g4gvw@aol.com>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: LF: PIRATES


> Mal,
>
> I have been extremely successful of late in not rising to your bait on
> various topics. This time I really must take umbrage at your rather
> sweeping statement about the Maritime Service vis-a-vis the 500khz
> allocation.
> The maritime Service has been almost 100% a "commercial" service and as
> such has had as its primary interest the maintenance of a viable
> communications service. As far as I am aware. no serious research has
> been done by that service into weak-signal and similar modes apart from
> that done by the various military interests. Effectively, as soon as
> alternative and arguably more efficient/cost effective alternatives
> became available these commercial interests naturally migrated to them.
> This is not the same as saying they had "exhausted all possibilities and
> concluded it is of no further use." Your statement is rather like saying
> that the coming of the motor car rendered the bicycle or the horse
> obsolete and of "no further use"! It's a funny thing but in my travels I
> see plenty of both in widespread use!
> Amateur radio for many of us encompasses a wide range of activities and
> your constant carping and promotion of your own rather biased interests
> gets on the nerves of quite a lot of us to the extent that some members
> no longer subscribe to the group.
> Perhaps you should consider the view that, as with the cyclists and
> horse riders there are modes of operation that lead to the promotion of
> health and happiness and a calm and healthy state of mind.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 2009-11-13 at 17:44 +0000, mal hamilton wrote:
>> Lots of pirates reported around the east african coast and Indian
>> ocean but now Radio pirates !!!! on 500.
>> How would one know a Pirate? their style of sending on cw or the way
>> they WSPR.
>> Beware of the WSPR merchants no ID just carriers switching on/off as
>> far as the casual radio amateur is concerned. Instead of a simple
>> approach worldwide to issue Radio Amateur licences for the
>> traditional CW mode on 500, appliance operator licences were issued
>> for Broadcast modes ie
>> CW beacons, Data beacons, and other transmissions, which must stop at
>> Country Borders and must not be reported by anyone hearing such
>> transmissions beyond these Borders.
>> In other words the whole 500 khz business is Chaotic, whereas the
>> other MF allocation 160 metres is orderly and sensibly regulated using
>> in the main CW and SSB.
>> It would appear the appropriate license authorities do not think the
>> Appliance Operator has much to contribute to the advancement or
>> research on 500.
>> The marine service has been using the band for the past 100 years and
>> has exhausted all possibilities and concluded it is of no further use,
>> with the advancement of Satellite communications technology.
>> 500 in EU seems to be a fun band for WSPR Beacons where no operator
>> participation is required just unattended machines belching out bits
>> of data and generating QRM to the few Radio amateurs trying to get by
>> on CW.
>> Let us have your opinion.
>> De G3KEV
>>
>>
>>
>>
> --
> 73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw
> qth nr felixstowe uk
> (east coast, county of suffolk)
>
>


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