Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc01.mx.aol.com (rly-dc01.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.30]) by air-dc01.mail.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILINDC013-b024b07c48f30a; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:44:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC016-b024b07c48f30a; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:44:32 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NBnRF-0003vT-QU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 10:43:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NBnRF-0003vK-Ch for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 10:43:33 +0000 Received: from mailout04.t-online.de ([194.25.134.18]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NBnRE-0006h6-3f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 10:43:33 +0000 Received: from fwd11.aul.t-online.de by mailout04.t-online.de with smtp id 1NBnRC-0001IF-03; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:43:30 +0100 Received: from df2py (XdqWRmZArhai1Ta09J-VRYgf9zNqGBKTD-ScOfE+MMsL23MZbdfhu3DQQhRSpFbZW7@[80.187.98.210]) by fwd11.t-online.de with esmtp id 1NBnRB-1XsZHM0; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:43:29 +0100 From: "Wolf Ostwald" To: References: <4B07ABA4.4060102@online.fr> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:45:14 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcpqkgSxXagfeVNHQ8Oi5RcXnN20bgABGD6w X-ID: XdqWRmZArhai1Ta09J-VRYgf9zNqGBKTD-ScOfE+MMsL23MZbdfhu3DQQhRSpFbZW7 X-TOI-MSGID: bf89bdb2-daba-48a2-a21c-d869b7657958 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: WSPR : QSO or not QSO Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01CA6AA0.17A06660" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01CA6AA0.17A06660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello group ! I am not an expert with WSPR at all. But I followed the discussion regarding false detection of calls thru the database. To my understanding the WSPR operator has NO way to really find out whether the computer came to the right conclusion about the calls received, or whether it just judged by means of plausibility. We humans have no sense for phaseshift, that means we have to believe the machine. I think that the database in the background is like a walking stick for the blind. Of course it's a new and exciting technology, but I doubt that it is on one and the same level with a regular exchange and therefore should not be considered equally verifying a valid contact. My two pence worth de wolf df2py ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01CA6AA0.17A06660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hel= lo group !

 

I= am not an expert with WSPR at all. But I followed the discussion regarding false detection= of calls thru the database.

To= my understanding the WSPR operator has NO way to really find out whether the computer came= to the right conclusion about the calls received, or whether it just judged= by means of plausibility. We humans have no sense for phaseshift, that means we= have to believe the machine.

I= think that the database in the background is like a walking stick for the blind.

Of= course it’s a new and exciting technology, but I doubt that it is on one and the same le= vel with a regular exchange and therefore should not be considered equally veri= fying a valid contact.

My= two pence worth   de wolf  df2py

 

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