Return-Path: Received: from rly-de05.mx.aol.com (rly-de05.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.141]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILINDE071-4d54afacbb92ff; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:36:02 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE052-4d54afacbb92ff; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:35:39 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1N8EHK-0002eO-8F for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:34:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1N8EHJ-0002eF-Cb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:34:33 +0000 Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.67]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1N8EGa-0006AT-Bo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:33:49 +0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=FSZMa2jBJyg5xbZkztR8P3OacaC0Jr4c2b8AU81OYrWwG/prDRscV/K5CxJ3lIUK; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.63] (helo=wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1N8EH7-00040m-U4; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:34:21 -0500 Received: from 63.229.66.189 by webmail.c.earthlink.net with HTTP; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:34:21 -0500 Message-ID: <28591998.1257950061757.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:34:21 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Trask To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: b77fdb70683249914713efb067f9a722239a348a220c26099da815785916a9b7b5cc2c7cf0b6548b2601a10902912494350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.63 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Ferrite characteristics Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 > > Does anyone know of a method of measuring the characteristics > (permeability) of ferrite cores? I have a box of these most > without any identification although I do have T200, 68-2T and > T68-2s whose characteristics are known. > > It occurs to me that you can make a tuned circuit and measure > resonance with a GDO when a ferrite core is inserted into the > inductance. A graph could be made of the different resonances > with different cores, to extrapolate the unknowns. > > However I think that ferrite bulk might be a problem. For example > I guess the red T cores use the same material but would there be > a difference between the T200 and the T68? > Since some are coloured, you can reasonably assume that they are powdered iron rather than ferrite as the ferrite manufacturers, particularly Fair-Rite and Ferronics, normally don't colour code their products, though Ferroxcube does. These two Micrometals URLs should help: http://www.micrometals.com/materials_index.html http://www.micrometals.com/materials_index.html Unfortunately, the tables provided by Ferroxcube do not provide the colour coding information, so you'll need to go through the individual datasheets: http://www.ferroxcube.com/prod/assets/sfmatgra_frnt.pdf The recent reply by Marco provided a reasonable approach to sorting out the permeability: > > just my 2 Eurocents... wound a few (5 to 20) turns, measure > L and take physical dimensions of the toroid, use G4FGQ's > toroid.exe, and then play with the parameters in the program > to find wich permeability gives the L you measured. The > program is pretty accurate, Reg did a nice job. > Chris ,----------------------. High Performance Mixers and / What's all this \ Amplifiers for RF Communications / extinct stuff, anyhow? / \ _______,--------------' Chris Trask / N7ZWY _ |/ Principal Engineer oo\ Sonoran Radio Research (__)\ _ P.O. Box 25240 \ \ .' `. Tempe, Arizona 85285-5240 \ \ / \ \ '" \ IEEE Senior Member #40274515 . ( ) \ '-| )__| :. \ Email: christrask@earthlink.net | | | | \ '. http://www.home.earthlink.net/~christrask c__; c__; '-..'>.__ Graphics by Loek Frederiks