Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (rly-dc08.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.37]) by air-dc05.mail.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILINDC051-b374ac653c0b7; Fri, 02 Oct 2009 15:26:00 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC083-b374ac653c0b7; Fri, 02 Oct 2009 15:25:54 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Mtnkd-0008A1-6I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2009 20:25:11 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Mtnkc-00089s-Pl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2009 20:25:10 +0100 Received: from smtp828.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.189.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MtnjI-0006gw-28 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2009 20:23:48 +0100 Received: (qmail 11163 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2009 19:24:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=ZP4ZVMNgVvhoWdoGLWCD0fQ3AnnM88bfURrK6beEA8QGmXDA9rXOeaJGrUBu/i+iTM8VFGXTux3p5h7Y59HgIWo/VnlLp+G5fmk8kJ5rq+8RdCM21w7Hi1Z5Et6FNE3bzBC8ylTorLppH6gbNRc04w3Nid1UX/w5cGaN/hXh7TY= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.178.46.216 with login) by smtp828.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2009 19:24:54 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: xBKQc28VM1kwmS.Xd3Po2Mf2Fe0z30XfLzX0o9_BBZK.JCGd622FyxY0bAfZfUxSNyif2bJpKCZb1Hv3jx50kdPlp09mY_Sa0_tIaa16usoVb6efpcRjgh.pykT9gvPs46PgnSjs0s7S9Gmyk9loEnRGoMwPmep62PQathlNSDoKoWpCR__2waSTApuVHl73CXEGw_EXJse93gn..yk6UguNbhO_Zc7UxRGoN13VnYJufZTDqXNo4mXoQ3_bk3ezVkI5f9O12C8GiRjGV9v7nOCvKyIHByDZYTK7 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4E3B8A72F432464293A0DA58BA5D170B@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <22E5FF108AB94135883D0A402EC9B85C@JimPC> <000e01ca4340$5ba6b3a0$0900a8c0@lark> In-Reply-To: <000e01ca4340$5ba6b3a0$0900a8c0@lark> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 20:24:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: RX and Sound Card Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Steve, Alan, Klaus, LF Group, Thanks for the comments. This calibration method is a bit fiddly in terms of doing the calculations, but I think it is simpler than W1TAG's Loran technique as far as making the frequency measurements goes. Also it gives you the receiver frequency error as well as the sound card sampling rate. I think the main difficulty with the Loran method is actually selecting and identifying a suitable spectral line to measure the frequency of - especially in the UK where the received Loran signal is "dual rated" with interleaved spectral components from at least 2 different GRIs in the demodulated signal. A lot of promising looking peaks in the display are actually two peaks very close together. As with the Loran technique, it has the advantage that, as far as hardware is concerned, it is "something for nothing", with no additional equipment required (something always appealing to amateurs ;-)). If you are prepared to make some simple calibration hardware, the calibration process is much more straightforward and potentially more accurate too. I have used a 10MHz xtal oscillator divided down to 1kHz (2 x 'HC390) to provide an audio calibration signal. The harmonics of the 1kHz signal can be compared with 198kHz etc. using the RX and soundcard with spectrogram software - in this way, the calibrator frequency can easily be set to well within 1ppm. In my case, I used a salvaged TCXO module for the 10MHz, which is stable enough to provide in-band 1kHz marker pips for checking the receiver calibration too. I don't know why the WOLF frequency calibration utility only works within +/- 1Hz. The trouble is, if the offset is outside that range, it gives you a sensible-looking value that is actually wrong. So it is important to check the audio frequency on the WOLF spectrum display to make sure it is within the right limits. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU