Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (rly-dc07.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.36]) by air-dc10.mail.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILINDC104-b344aec47c113b; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:21:12 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC078-b344aec47c113b; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:20:51 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1N4EoE-0004pi-5p for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:20:02 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1N4EoD-0004pZ-N0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:20:01 +0000 Received: from smtp831.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.189.245]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1N4EmS-0005vb-IW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:18:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 50665 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2009 14:19:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=UfOjhQ/vSG/S9Zx9JpfuVOaJ8zSTQ7C6IY/O2V8UFK7s9W7LVDoYs5MQ5+bM5/lk5i//iUbm8F5PHMOgNp8I4Ex6lHzb75KHW31jfm3ksKrFbt721OpoI1eRhU4oVBz1/SGZx1Fad27boqOukd15ai9+JTSZ8308USrqoij7SdU= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@213.122.15.240 with login) by smtp831.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2009 14:19:41 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: KHdpK2OswBBXlm4uxknbEiS4uYdJoGknHN90u4K8__lTafnafZg- X-YMail-OSG: 6mJmXJkVM1nEWt1hsjhJsmjVab3Bpzh5Bj.D.usMZor7Zx0pHSwTeudb0SQVPnDtp1jyitw_NYjN4xjI4ModDsgW17bIoDDKTIFEGY91FXd7T6XJtLQgncBLOTa9uUeUyjtK1Dsh41OhQ490MQihbdcduaDGW4on1k.sczZPGU.TlKcZKnqG8lKeGwyFJEUfx5E4X3mVqA9aK1avUJ28EhV2etYWrRkucfvYK46Ffz97Stndo7s1meyicfUVUgUTiADS25c4xJu8rhYdJEC31VGE2nmkrl5Q5luJs3BZEKwyPBS_R.sTOecK1wmDRueG.XnAw2V0gJyENGvQuT.TiuY.BEE- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <004501ca5a35$30eff840$0900a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <9afca2640910310528p4f07557aifdc0557a68bfeff8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:19:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: 500kHz attenuation graphs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Roger you will find that the late Reg Edwards programs GRNDWAV3 (I think) gives a very good idea of ground wave strengths. I do have an article here (somewhere) from Jack Belrose with I believe some skywave strength formula in it. (I am "between two PCs" at the moment :-)) and it is undoubtedly on the other one ) Generally at LF the skywave starts to equal or exceed the groundwave strength at ranges exceeding 700km. It may be a little less that that at 500k. It also depends a little on the receive-system senitivity to a given mode, which is why very low power stations sometimes experience a "quiet zone" at least to audible reception. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Lapthorn" To: Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 12:28 PM Subject: LF: 500kHz attenuation graphs? > Can someone please point me to any CCIR or similar graphs (preferably on the > internet) showing the attenuation with distance expected on groundwave and > skywave at 500kHz? > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------- > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >