Return-Path: Received: from rly-de07.mx.aol.com (rly-de07.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.143]) by air-de03.mail.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILINDE033-4e94aa4dfac14e; Mon, 07 Sep 2009 06:25:54 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE072-4e94aa4dfac14e; Mon, 07 Sep 2009 06:25:52 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MkbON-0002gt-84 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2009 11:24:11 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MkbOM-0002gk-RK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2009 11:24:10 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MkbNO-0004I6-5F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2009 11:23:11 +0100 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A59E7B8053 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 2009 12:23:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16558F3862 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 2009 12:23:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 1622918056; Mon, 7 Sep 2009 12:23:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 208.205-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (208.205-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [80.201.205.208]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 07 Sep 2009 12:23:50 +0200 Message-ID: <20090907122350.2jyo85atjk8w8ggg@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 12:23:50 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <004601ca2f94$35f51580$0201a8c0@home> <4AA4D150.9050402@sighthound.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4AA4D150.9050402@sighthound.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 80.201.205.208 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Chris, John, indeed, in theory radiation resistance is proportional to the square =20 of the height (for a short vertical antenna). So "jacking up" the antenna even a few meter is worth the efford. As a bonus the heigher antenna has a larger capacitance (although this =20 effect is less if you have good topload) and often (but not always) a =20 lower loss resistance (cfr the footprint theory of G3AQC). I am in the onfortunate situtation when the loss resistance increases =20 with antenna height, because the antenna (topload) is over an open =20 grass area (30 by 45m) surrounded by forrest. As the antenna height =20 increases the footprint increases and it then includes more forrested =20 area. This results in a larger loss resistance. But even in this =20 situation the benefit of a larger radiation resistance overrules the =20 increased loss: - antenna height 6m =3D 35 Ohm loss - antenna height 11m =3D 45 Ohm loss (=3D +29%, but Rrad =3D +336%) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting John P-G : > Chris wrote: >> ....and how does 'Jacking up' the antenna increase the ERP? >> Chris, G4AYT. > > Chris,LF, > > Presumably by increasing the height one increases the capacity and the > the radiation resistance and thus the ERP will rise for a given TX power > and antenna current? One probably also reduces the loss resistance too, > due to needing less loading L, so the current might also increase, > leading to yet more ERP for a fixed TX power. > > John > GM4SLV > > >