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From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
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Dear Graham, LF Group,

> As the  European allocation looks to  be  wider than the  Uk, are we 
> expecting the  UK 3 Khz  allocation to  remain as is, if  and when the 
> band is formalised ?, in which case loosing 200 hz may not be the  most 
> sensible option ...

As I understand it, there are not yet any formal Europe-wide proposals, just 
what individual regulators have allocated on a case-by-case basis. I think 
G, EI, and ON have all allocated 501 - 504. The DL beacons and OK0EMW are 
licenced to use spot frequencies around 505kHz. Gus SM6BHZ would be able to 
use 504.0 - 504.1kHz.

>
> As by definition , if you  can transmit wspr  you  must be  able to  move 
> transmit  frequency (noting Andy's new beacon) establishing an over 
> lapping 100 hz section may be a reasonable  compromise ie move the  dial 
> frequency to say  502.5  or  499.5 , leaving 100 hz in band for uk access
>






>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 2:14 PM
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Subject: LF: Re: US 500-kHz band plan
>
>>
>> Dear LF Group,
>>
>> I still haven't replied to Fritz Raab, W1FR, regarding the WD2XSH US band
>> plan which he is apparently coordinating - you may remember I posted the 
>> US
>> proposals, which he sent me, a couple of weeks ago, but have not received
>> any comments from other UK/Eu stations. I think I should reply with
>> something, so now is your chance... The proposal relates to the US
>> allocation extending to 495 - 515kHz, and how that would fit in with 
>> current
>> UK and Eu beacon operations. The content of the e-mail is below. The 
>> issue
>> is that they would like to make a 501.0 - 501.2kHz WSPR sub-band, to fit 
>> in
>> with the various other proposals. Various other types of beacon modes are
>> allocated frequencies outside the UK/EI/ON 501 - 504kHz range, while 
>> 501.2 -
>> 504kHz is allocated to "general comms". Retaining frequencies just below
>> 504kHz would divide their "general comms" band in two
>>
>> I don't think there is anything preventing us from doing this, it is just
>> the inconvenience of turning the current band "upside-down". Let me know
>> what you think!
>>
>> Cheers, Jim Moritz
>> 73 de M0BMU
>>
>>>>>From W1FR:
>>
>> Greetings:
>>
>>     Thanks for the comments on the band plan, passed
>> along to me by W1XP.
>>
>>     About a month ago, a modification to the WD2XSH
>> license was approved that adds stations and gives us
>> access to 495 - 510 kHz.  Perhaps half of the 42 stations
>> will eventually get on the air.  Because of NDBs, some
>> stations are limited to parts of this band and we will
>> have two calling frequencies and two beacon bands.
>>
>>     A draft of our new band plan follows.  Of particular
>> interest is WSPR.  As I see it, our options are:
>>
>> (a)  501.0-501.2:  Conveniently on one side of our comms
>>     band.  Will not overload WSPR receivers near 504 kHz.
>>     Apparently in EU CW-beacon band.
>>
>> (b)  503.8-504.0:  Apparently same as what you guys are
>>     using.  Cuts our comms band in the middle.  Nearby
>>     stations may overload US receivers trying to hear EUs.
>>
>> (c)  503.9-504.1:  Same problems as above with cutting
>>     comms band in two and overloading.  Conveniently
>>     straddles both G/ON/EI and Canadian bands.
>>
>>     Any further thoughts you may have will be
>> appreciated.
>>
>>
>> 73, Fritz, W1FR
>>
>> Frederick H. (Fritz) Raab, Ph.D.
>> GREEN MOUNTAIN RADIO RESEARCH COMPANY
>> 77 Vermont Avenue, Fort Ethan Allen
>> Colchester, Vermont 05446  USA
>> Tel./Fax.:  +1 (802) 655-9670  Home:  +1 (802) 862-0997
>> E-mail:  f.raab@ieee.org
>>
>> BASIC BAND PLAN for WD2XSH
>>
>> f, kHz          USE
>>
>> 495.0 - 495.1   QRSS, 1-Hz spacing, 40 stations
>> 495.1 - 495.6   CW/PSK beacons midwest, 100-Hz spacing, 10 stations
>> 495.6 - 499.0   Comms
>> 497.5           Calling frequency
>> 499.0 - 501.0   Reserved for heritage stations and special events
>> 501.0 - 501.2   WSPR
>> 501.2 - 505.0   Comms
>> 505.0 - 505.2   DX window
>> 505.2 - 508.5   Comms
>> 507.5           Calling frequency
>> 508.5 - 510.0   CW/PSK beacons east, south, west, Pacific, 50-Hz spacing, 
>> 30
>> stations
>> 510.0 - 511.0   WE2XGR beacons
>> 511.0 - 515.0   WE2XGR SSB and wideband modes
>>
>>
>> OTHER IN-BAND SIGNALS
>>
>> 503.976         NEED LSB
>> 505.0           NEED carrier
>> 506.024         NEED USB
>>
>> 508.976         OF/FA LSB
>> 510.0           OF/FA carrier
>> 511.024         OF/FA USB
>>
>>
>>
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