Return-Path: Received: from rly-me03.mx.aol.com (rly-me03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.36]) by air-me01.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINME012-9a84a57398b381; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:52:39 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me03.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME034-9a84a57398b381; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:52:28 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MPFZc-0004fM-31 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:51:32 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MPFZb-0004fD-JO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:51:31 +0100 Received: from mail-bw0-f218.google.com ([209.85.218.218]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MPFZU-0004KT-GW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:51:25 +0100 Received: by bwz18 with SMTP id 18so887322bwz.4 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 05:51:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=aX4NMALUpfCEPGT2Pyxj6dAh/Vvma0pM0nvF7dBxnII=; b=eZODuHUjnTcscDAwenAo9KVrOIJwO5UFfXbU8yRUxdfatM+oDB0mF2HpnvztiAomr/ l7ZJfhgxKLpTMT1VbNkNSr7doBoA71k1gtjcj8YSRqr+53RDZBZPiAdnoGrvyzlDMrww cpYc9AdAZqI4SLqAg5Wva61StVmkLwwTDvg6U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ZYUbVB2WXeVml3RHGkQ2m/p0JfxCMyBi0QGeTsxoW5sJMqihLBwsXbrlRBYn2Ggloj T4KEM9xSQSQBizXwKPdJPJTtPXyWwzmBLqveUdYiR6EDPhTNdR7Cmn9X5JsrmEk+StB7 mWNanI0SP5ePKNOEg6Sfi+rmzsuWYbN7YkzsU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.152.193 with SMTP id w1mr181890hbb.41.1247230283592; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 05:51:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <001401ca0147$dc500d20$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:51:23 +0100 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d228.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Ask yourself why it may be advantageous to jam GPS is a war scenario, and just how GPS is likely to be used by both sides. Then consider how it may be done in a sensible manner, how to avoid excessive fratricide and why excercises such as these may have to be performed. Ask yourself why Selective Availability was removed some years ago. May like to also wonder if the substation located at exactly that specified location could have anything to do with the exercise. Andy G4JNT www.g4jnt.com 2009/7/10 Michael Probert GW4HXO : > Hello Finbar, > > =A0Maybe Mal has a point? =A0Seems a bit odd that the MOD are going to= jam an > important service for a couple of hours. =A0Can you imagine it they jamm= ed TV > for a day or two, would be nice! > > Best regards > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton > Sent: 10 July 2009 11:19 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises > > Like I said when the big BANG comes the Appliance operator and his data > gadgets will be rendered useless, whereas a Radio Amateur with his 2 val= ved > RX/TX, a morse key, a piece of wire for antenna and a pedal powered powe= r > source will communicate on. > We all managed to commumicate and navigate this past 100 years without= these > > gadgets, unfortunately today the majority seem to be totally dependant= on > computers and associated data devices. These gadgets are handy but make= a > person LAZY and forgetful about how to write and operate CW as a tool to > communicate. > G3KEV > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Pick" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 8:11 AM > Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises > > > Perhaps we should encourage a Loran jamming excercise to prove that it > isn't the un-jammable marvel that its cracked up to be? > > ;-) > > Dave G3YXM > > 2009/7/9 Dave G3WCB : >> Hmmm... I can only see an electricity substation at that exact >> location...the source will probably on Henley's Down or somewhere simil= ar. >> >> It'll mess-up any GPS-disciplined beacons (LF or Microwave)for a few >> hours! >> >> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Andy Talbot >> Sent: 08 July 2009 22:36 >> To: ukmicrowaves@yahoogroups.com; uk_beacons@yahoogroups.com; >> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: LF: Fwd: Fw: Ofcom Update: Date Correction - Forthcoming GPS >> jamming exercises >> >> >> The Lat/Long converts to: >> Loc. JO00FV41 >> NGR TQ723122 >> >> Andy >> www.g4jnt.com >> >> --- On Wed, 8/7/09, Updates wrote: >> >> From: Updates >> Subject: Ofcom Update: Date Correction - Forthcoming GPS jamming exerci= ses >> To: >> Date: Wednesday, 8 July, 2009, 11:14 AM >> >> The MoD has informed Ofcom of the following GPS jamming exercise: >> >> Dates: 14th and 15th October 2009. >> >> Times: Maximum of two hours between the times of 08:00-12:00 and >> 13:30=9615:30 each day. >> >> Location: Within 1km of N50=B0 53.0=92 and E000=B0 27.0=92 (Bexhill, Ea= st Sussex). >> >> Contact: Trial Manager (during the trial) on 07776 484226. >> >> > ........................................................................= ... >> >> >> > > > > -- > G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- > ---- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.9/2228 - Release Date: 07/09/0= 9 > 18:07:00 > > > > __________ NOD32 4231 (20090710) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > >