Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd07.mx.aol.com (rly-dd07.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.154]) by air-dd04.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDD044-b894a5e1a732f6; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:05:57 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD073-b894a5e1a732f6; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:05:41 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MR8qF-00084Z-AC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:04:31 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MR8qE-00084Q-S5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:04:30 +0100 Received: from smtp138.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.107.121]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MR8qD-0001us-5E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:04:29 +0100 Received: (qmail 76200 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2009 18:04:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=0HLxSuSxNnZqwWJHQJ4RCusou738JAhdoxiqE/xJzktokXGZNeDjpT18xWtzALc1JIsR6USLy8BJanNvENWRwZLININgw3HC0JnWWG5OLMEF68eWxrcJYkrMKnMPylkSIlaf/tXZ0djcaAwONUZNbHWKOpKt8wNXFpWWPgFSLfU= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lindavideo) (ken.h.wright@86.140.224.132 with login) by smtp138.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2009 18:04:21 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: APVNTmmswBB1ajQe0.MR1eIpHqOdoGKpEnK7HtPhl2t5AIcci3nTdw-- X-YMail-OSG: IgZepJ8VM1ky56vgeN9.bDo.Z6bWlaneisOmujXpKkmzBKUN0ydts46sS8PpLac1.46KOhJZXqLMlv0hQCADcjDoCHpe94DQY1CWwI_qvmTxPuaAWpE2gsyRqN4zHr5L8B1hN.LzV88ec66lwagZBK9etQ7M77Suljxe96hVMKEh0iTUitPp.OfVdNYbS2irYW0GpX5jRDw5vvZkSfImP1ptLa4SLcKpMMWM1yA6c6C755.5CqWuz2VdnscYi5eaZddYWrptZfWfFrJQVawm7eo1.YGcshE9Gvee3SqWCU8rNLIiGqZPeVxSYVzhC1TymqoE0ZPib_lqWYvvkI0P7Y3WCsjyV3r1bOxqnqyYXsc_HOk- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "Ken" To: References: <003501ca0554$292717a0$0900a8c0@AM> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:04:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Alan. The earthy end of the HV winding should be lifted from earth, and a fullwave bridge used . Ken 73 de M0KHW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Melia" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:57 PM Subject: Re: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers > Hi all, I am very please to see not everyone sticks to a 12 volt maximum > supply voltage > :-)) > > One though that occurs to me is that if one side of the MO transformer is > grounded in oven service........one ought to check that the winding as a > whole is sufficiently well insulated from ground to stand floating 2kV > above > ground. There may not be the same clearance /insulation on the grounded > end > of the secondary as the intended high-voltage end?? On the other hand it > might be quite OK. I have a certain cynicism about "consumer designs". > > Alan G3NYK > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:34 PM > Subject: Re: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers > > > These special transformers need the magnetic bypass because a magnetron > looks (as a load) like a Z diode. > So they are powered, more or less, with a constant current source rather > than a constant voltage source. > > In other words, the "generator" (transformer) must have a large source > impedance, and that's what the magnetic bypass in the 'former does. > > Cheers, > Wolf . > > > >