Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg06.mx.aol.com (rly-dg06.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.90]) by air-dg05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDG054-5d44a66c7df216; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 04:03:48 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg06.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG067-5d44a66c7df216; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 04:03:44 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MTWmR-0001bz-O8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:02:27 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MTWmR-0001bq-7n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:02:27 +0100 Received: from smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.27]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTWmN-0001iU-GQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:02:25 +0100 Received: from webmail.xs4all.nl (dovemail9.xs4all.nl [194.109.26.11]) by smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n6M82Fto024275 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:02:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) Received: from 82.92.124.189 (SquirrelMail authenticated user pa0rdt) by webmail.xs4all.nl with HTTP; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:02:22 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <53518.82.92.124.189.1248249742.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:02:22 +0200 (CEST) From: "Roelof Bakker" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Loop (was Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX?) Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=CELL_PHONE_BOOST autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello John, Regarding the single turn versus multiple turn loop, I have done both. For the multiple turn loop, 100 meter of 1.2 mm PCV clad electrical mains wire was wound on a wooden frame with sides of 70 cm. This was a major task in itself and called for a dedicated winding contraption. The primary could be tuned from 120 - 600 kHz and the secondary was a single turn winding. Output was fairly low and a broadband pre-amplifier was used. The single turn loop had a diameter of 1 meter and was made from the outer shield of a length of RG213 coaxial cable. The stepup transformer was wound on a 36 mm high mu (5000) toroid. The primary had 3 windings and the secondary 90. Still a lot of turns, but more manageable tahn winding the multiturn boxed loop. The output was fed into a high input buffer amplifier (aka mini-whip). Though small, this loop provided ample output and the output was shunted by a 33K resistor to give the same output at Lf as my mini-whip. This is a broadband antenna and besides being plagued by local noise, reception is excellent. The multiturn tuned loop has the benefit of being very selective and is nice to prevent IMD. The broadband loop is easier to use of course and with the right gain setting will not cause IMD on most receivers. The beauty of this hobby that most of the time we have a choice! 73, Roelof bakker, pa0rdt